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« Reply #105 on: August 20, 2005, 07:35:04 am »
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Hehe  Though, I still think the devs are pretty much gonna ignore this thread now..  


now?

Good point :P

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I rose through the ranks of my first guild to be 2nd in command of a guild of 15-20 people. Then in my second guild I rose through the ranks to be a second in command of a guild of a little over 20 people. Now in my third guild I\'ve risen to be a second in command of a guild with over 50 people.

What does it mean? You tell me. Does a wipe erase my history? Not at all! After the wipe I\'ll have the same devious but charming reputation, the same misguided enemies, and the same true of heart friends. A simple wipe can\'t take that away.

But run off with one damned axe.... :-D


Hey wait a minute.. I\'m 2nd-in command.. check the Permissions/member\'s list  X(  :P
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« Reply #106 on: August 20, 2005, 08:20:37 am »
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Originally posted by ramlambmoo
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Hehe  Though, I still think the devs are pretty much gonna ignore this thread now..  


now?

Good point :P

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I rose through the ranks of my first guild to be 2nd in command of a guild of 15-20 people. Then in my second guild I rose through the ranks to be a second in command of a guild of a little over 20 people. Now in my third guild I\'ve risen to be a second in command of a guild with over 50 people.

What does it mean? You tell me. Does a wipe erase my history? Not at all! After the wipe I\'ll have the same devious but charming reputation, the same misguided enemies, and the same true of heart friends. A simple wipe can\'t take that away.

But run off with one damned axe.... :-D


Hey wait a minute.. I\'m 2nd-in command.. check the Permissions/member\'s list  X(  :P




I\'m ~a~ second in command, at least as far as the ranks go.  As far as I\'m concerned, my official rank is still \"Shalmaneser\".
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« Reply #107 on: August 20, 2005, 11:04:47 pm »
Recently the NPC AI has gone braindead, which means that no monsters are attacking back. Everyone is camping looting and selling and training, some of the most vocal people in this thread included. Whether they did this just for fun or to test their character, does not matter at this point. I do not think that anyone can disagree that a wipe of skills and stats is necessary. People are gaining things they should not be gaining with this.
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« Reply #108 on: August 21, 2005, 12:31:30 am »
The evilness has reached the official forums...

The first version was that npcclient.exe didn\'t load quickly enough so all monsters were impervous to attack, but, after a while, the normal state was achieved...

But now, what\'s the reality? /puts some dramatic background music

You simply erased the monsters hability to defend themselves to provide a consistent argument for a complete second wipe!

/me gets cold due to the scary of the thought

-Comment about the whole thread:

It started as a sharing of opinions, if a second complete wipe should be done, or only an inventory one. It ended into another discussion between rp and pl...

-Topic Related and yes, some off topic too:

I shared the thought, prior the first wipe, that the second planed one would be another complete one. IMO the error was in the first one, it was predictable that many bugs would arise, as many things had been changed.
Ideally, the game should have selective updating; at the moment, whenever an update comes, i think all the advances made at the cvs are implemented till a defined date, that makes the risk of bugs to appear rise. But, honestly, having an updating tool is more than we could expect at this point of the developement, at least we don\'t have to redownload the whole package again.
Now I don\'t recall the exact reason, but, as Verrliit I think said, I too remember that the first wipe was argued because it was imperative in order to work with the new things that were going to be implemented.
Also, wiping should be always considered as a last chance; also we should prevent spreading the thought of \"the wipe will end with this situation\" I\'ve heared many people expecting the wipe, like if the wipe was going to be the solution to everything. A wipe isn\'t a solution to nothing, the solution to game related problems it\'s called debugging; the solution to lack of roleplaying experience \"due to those pl\" (sic) is give everyone a chance to roleplay.

There have been some things bad focused, specially with that pl vs rp thing; I really wouldn\'t like to arise the discussion again but, most commonly the argument is:
 - Don\'t pl because we\'ll wipe you, and all you\'d have gained will be lost. You can try to rp or leave the game.

This isn\'t a way of driving things I can agree on. It\'s like teaching someone with: \"don\'t go there, or i\'ll hit you\". Instead, make the \"pupil\" choose to rp, not because it\'s his/her only chance, but because it\'s the better and funniest option of them all. In other words, rp has to be _necessarily_ more attractive than clicking the mouse to kill a monster that doesn\'t require anything else, really no challenging.
But then again, there are some players that _need_ their stats to _fit_ what they\'re roleplaying, and although it isn\'t necessary, it can be perfectly understood. Just imagine someone that claims to be a strong warrior, another one lends him/her a Claymore but the first one is unable to handle it because of the weight...
The best way to distinguish between those that camp a monster because they \"enjoy\" the fighting challenge and those others that do the same, to achieve what they think their characters needs to be properly played is simply a conversation with the specified person _in game_, really it doesn\'t take that much time.

To whoever has reached the ending, I\'ll add a Post Scriptum with a little funny ironic things, look I almost ended the post the way I started it ;)

PS: When asked about a player about why attacking if the monster wasn\'t able to defend, he answered me a big truth, even if the monster could, would have died anyway; as that char was by far more powerful than the monster he/she was killing.
Also, about Ulbernauts, the same one told me that saw people trying to kill them but, well, the Ulbernaut hp regeneration speed was faster than the hability of the little hunters to infringe it damage.
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« Reply #109 on: August 21, 2005, 12:51:06 am »
Im totally powerleveling on this!
Stay away from my camping spot!

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« Reply #110 on: August 21, 2005, 05:48:37 am »
What?! Have you even read anything? :<
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« Reply #111 on: August 21, 2005, 05:51:19 am »
I am new and feel discouraged from playing because of the server-down. Does this happen often? Is there lag on it?

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« Reply #112 on: August 21, 2005, 06:27:50 am »
no lag, the jumpingness, if any is due to your sucky hardware, if any.

server goes down once in a while, its a GOOD thing, means we found something bad and fixing it, or its gone deaded and we havent noticed :)

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« Reply #113 on: August 21, 2005, 10:47:25 am »
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 - Don\'t pl because we\'ll wipe you, and all you\'d have gained will be lost. You can try to rp or leave the game.

This isn\'t a way of driving things I can agree on. It\'s like teaching someone with: \"don\'t go there, or i\'ll hit you\". Instead, make the \"pupil\" choose to rp, not because it\'s his/her only chance, but because it\'s the better and funniest option of them all. In other words, rp has to be _necessarily_ more attractive than clicking the mouse to kill a monster that doesn\'t require anything else, really no challenging.
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True. Devs/GMs are using baculine arguments, but give too few carrots ;). I see big discordance between their aims and methods...
Arrghh... Why am I writing here ? I promised to myself not to do it! It is unnecessary IMO. I really belive, that Devs/GMs/Mods are doing everything to make all good players happy :)
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« Reply #114 on: August 21, 2005, 11:28:49 am »
I am new here but I must say I think a second wipe would not be wrong.
The only question I have is \"Can someone say me when the wipe will be?\". I know this can not be said exactly but I just want to know will it in a week in a month or will it take more than a month.
When someone asked the same question in this thread then I must say sorry for asking again. But I would be happy when someone can say it again.

Thanks

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« Reply #115 on: August 21, 2005, 01:29:40 pm »
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What?! Have you even read anything? :<


Not really, i just find it funny when people freak out on a non issue such as this one. I mean i thought it was funny to see a bunch of guys all alone attacking trepors with their fists at 2.56 damage at a time taking them about half an hour to kill them. Hell even i went out to kill some consumers, just for kicks (oh and the trias muahahaha).
So they get 10pp ... it\'s not reallly a big deal, not with this badass lvling system. The problem here i think is some people\'s egos.
Levels are not important for the general gameplay at this stage of development.
A wipe would just piss off people.
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« Reply #116 on: August 21, 2005, 01:54:47 pm »
Havox,

The problem is that if people become too attached to their stat and skill gains at this point in time, it will be even harder to convince them to let go in future, more serious wipes. The more they gain, the more reluctant they are to lose. Not only that, but this -is- a place where people play as well as test, and some sort of game goes on. If we have people running around with bugged, exploited accounts, it upsets the balance and upsets the testing process. With every couple of adjustments, new fair tests must be run to see how the normal character progression is supposed to run, as well as let people enjoy a cheater-free environment. What kind of playerbase will PlaneShift attract if people notice that exploits are not taken care of and players can take advantage of bugs without consequences?
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« Reply #117 on: August 21, 2005, 02:32:18 pm »
But it was taken care of as far as i know.
It only lasted a few hours yesterday, haven\'t logged in today. Not enough in my opinion to damage the \"balance\". And besides people need to get over the fact that this is not yet a game, like many have pointed out this is more of a techdemo than anything else at this point. If things get wiped again it\'l be bad because people will loose all the shinny things that make being in planeshift less ... what\'s the word? ... vanilla. I mean, everyone looks the same, everyone has the same items (they all look the same), that\'s a major hint as this is yet very experimental and unfinished (it\'s been like this for years now). If they are too attached to their skills or envolved in a sort of \"game\" to see who has the biggest \"level\" too bad for\'em.
I think it\'s great that these exploits/bugs show up in this early stage.
I bet there will be more bugs/exploits showing up in the future.
Even commercial games have\'em from time to time.
Im not saying you should neglect dealing with cheaters/exploits user, im saying that in this case it\'s not worth the hassle.

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« Reply #118 on: August 21, 2005, 02:39:56 pm »
It\'s not a hassle at all. The players make the hassle when they try to cling to the goods the exploits have given them. You haven\'t addressed my point about the playerbase such things may be attracting, however. Either way, I think this is a silly argument that I lose the energy for quickly, so I\'m going to end it unless something else catches my eye :) Maybe someone else will say what I want to say at 5:30 in the morning.
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« Reply #119 on: August 21, 2005, 02:53:04 pm »
Yep the player make the hassle. This \"game\" is made of players more than anything else.
I dont think this sort of thing will attract any hardcore powerlvler from other game(s) ... they would login and then logout. This game aint got a use for highlvl players.
I agree that this discussion is silly but it\'s lunch hour here and im bored.  :P