help my guild is no more

[r.guppy]

after this update i noticed my guild name was gone, on clicking guild i was asked to type in guild name.
spotted GM asked why my guild was no more, told how meny members you got, i said four, was told need five, was then told need five members and 20k to start guild.
i new nothing of this. so whent strait to forum to see if i could find out in guild forum nothing,
loged on asked anuther GM were i might find post, ans new rule was not posted yet.
my fith member ( hew edits my spelling) cannot get on line yet as new update for mac does not work on here computer.
so help please.

[Karyuu]

Greetings,

There is a new rule that all guilds are going to have to adapt to. Acraig posted an explanation here.

[r.guppy]

thank you for your promt reply.
but why as it involves guilds was it not put in here.
and i would have been 5 if all macs were able to play.

thank you

[Karyuu]

I knew about this plan for a while, mainly from hanging around on IRC and learning from various dev and WTB members, so it wasn\'t a surprise. I am surprised, however, that this was put in motion without any real warning on the main website, as this is a big change in the guild system. So on that I agree with all the angry commotion ;)

[Hatchnet]

Originally posted by Karyuu
I knew about this plan for a while, mainly from hanging around on IRC and learning from various dev and WTB members, so it wasn\'t a surprise. I am surprised, however, that this was put in motion without any real warning on the main website, as this is a big change in the guild system. So on that I agree with all the angry commotion

5 min was all they got? And to think there was nothing I could even do to save mine seing as this occured while I was at work. I realy have to say that this was very poorly done.

[Karyuu]

I think for general purposes, five minutes is enough time once the rules are truly made publicly known and spread to everyone. Members should be ready at guild creation and check that they have everything necessary before proceeding. This is addressing the future, of course, not the current frustration people are experiencing. I think it\'s widely agreed at this point that the order of things in this guild change wasn\'t organized well enough to help the player base adjust smoothly, but bumps in the road happen in the testing process, and after some frustration, the road becomes smooth again.

[Hatchnet]

Originally posted by Karyuu
I think for general purposes, five minutes is enough time once the rules are truly made publicly known and spread to everyone. Members should be ready at guild creation and check that they have everything necessary before proceeding. This is addressing the future, of course, not the current frustration people are experiencing. I think it\'s widely agreed at this point that the order of things in this guild change wasn\'t organized well enough to help the player base adjust smoothly, but bumps in the road happen in the testing process, and after some frustration, the road becomes smooth again.

The problem is Karyuu that this was not made publicly known and spread to every one. I was on before leaving for work today and no warning had yet been given. This whole fiasco happen WHILE I WAS AT WORK.

And I am willing to bet that I was far from the only one.

[Arklari Rereler]

At least it might get rid of someof the absolutely pointless guilds (Like, \"GameProz\"... Tell me they arn\'t PGs!!!)

[Karyuu]

Originally posted by Hatchnet
The problem is Karyuu that this was not made publicly known and spread to every one.

You know, Hatchnet, for all your speak of \"if you would\'ve read those threads\" and \"if you would\'ve read those posts,\" you seem to do very little reading of your own. I myself have stated that this was badly planned and badly put in motion, in this very thread. I am well aware of the problems this gave birth to.

[Jakob]

I think that what everyone here is saying is that the ends do not justify the means, but the ends justify the means...  Make sense?  Not to me either, but that\'s what it sounds like to me... What\'s done is done.  Just get your recruitment threads up and recruiting and start saving Tria like there\'s no tommorow.  Sure this was badly timed, poorly executed, and if there is another wipe coming soon, utterly pointless, but we can\'t change that now.  In order to recreate everything that was lost in the wipe, the information would take so long to resurect on the server that it would push back more important things.  You try to figure that out.  Coherency has never been my strongpoint, but what have you?   The only thing left to do is to get on with our lives, fight monsters and mine ore, ect. and make the cash we need.  I\'d be working right now, but I have to leave for a Tang Soo Do demonstration (soon? )

[SuburbanPlankton]

Please, everyone take a cue from Jakob/Arew, and do what he is doing.

The VanGuard web site is up; it\'s not terribly complete at the moment, but there\'s more to it today than there was yesterday.  He has created forums for anyone who wishes to join.  He has posted on the Guilds Forum with the Guild history and structure, and he\'s saving up his money.

Is VanGuards a \"Guild\"?  No.  Does that mean it doesn\'t exist?  NO!

It is a new Guild (in terms of the current game; I do understand there is a history), and needs to go through a growth process.  This will take some time, as it should.  In what should be a fairly short period of time, it will grow and prosper, or it will die.  Or it will continue on indefinitely as a pseudo-Guild, until one day it (hopefully) awakens and prospers.

The point is that the Guild will live or die based on its merits as a Guild, in the context of the game, not based on the fact that a few people want to get together and form a club.

[Moogie]

If you have less than four members in your guild, and it was deleted, now is the time to start organising your guild structure better so that you attract more willing members. This change will help encourage all guilds to think carefully about their structure and their name (because if your guild is deleted for having an unsuitable name, there will be no refunds). I was thoroughly against having just 5 minutes warning, and I knew everyone would be angry, but what could I do? If there was anything more I could have said to influence what was decided, I would have bugged people to *hell* untill they listened to me. But, sorry... I was ignored. ._.

The official opinion on small guilds is now apparently \"they can just use /group, that\'s what it\'s there for\".

[r.guppy]

I respectful ask you to read my thread Janners way.
I would also like to point out if all platforms were online i would have been five.
also if there were a post warning of this happening i would have got my 5 th member on a pc to join the guild , but as no warning was to be seen in guilds part of forum i did not no, so thought no hurry.

[Jakob]

We\'ll just be a step ahead of the bigger guilds, who will never have had to do this type of thing before after the next wipe...  We\'ll get a faster start because we\'ll already know how to go about setting things up.

[Karyuu]

I assure you, Jakob, larger guilds have already caught wind of this, and having more members, will find the task of gathering the sufficient funds much easier.

There is no being a step ahead of other guilds, when all you are doing is setting them up in-game.