The Guild Wipe

[Hatchnet]

I am not complaining that it was done. I am complaining about the way it was done.

#1 If any guildes were wiped THEY SHOULD ALL HAVE BEEN WIPED.

#2 If any must pay the creation fee THEN ALL SHOULD PAY THE CREATION FEE.

#3 Since it was chosen to be done this way. FAR MORE THAN FIVE MINUITS SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN.


My guild was still only four members four two reasons.

#1 I was being very careful about who was recruited into the guild. There were infact several who were turned down for membership.

#2 We were still trying to contact all the old members of both The Darschis and the Judgement Knights to get them to join the new guild.


The guild wipe happened so soon after the big wipe that not everyone has yet returened to the game. And most of those here are who were not already in a guild were either not roleplayers or were of evil character. Both of those were not wanted in my guild so you can see why we were still small.

In all honesty though I understand the reasons for this (some of which were grave) I must take offence at the way it was carried out; not only for myself but for a great many people.

[Karyuu]

I think two threads about this are enough right now, especially with a leading developer replying in one :)

ALL guilds were wiped, AFAIK.

[Keyaz]

all I\'m gonna say is get over it, whats done is done, all guilds will have to pay if the dev\'s decide to do that second wipe

[Karyuu]

Personally I don\'t think that\'s a very good idea, Dem. If a guild has already paid, it should not have to pay again unless some cost adjustment is made. It will be very frustrating to have to amass 20k over and over.

[Hatchnet]

Originally posted by Karyuu
I think two threads about this are enough right now, especially with a leading developer replying in one

ALL guilds were wiped, AFAIK.

I have read both threads. Neither addresed the the issue at hand as I have posted. Furthermore if you had read either thread you would have seen that all guilds were not wiped.

[Karyuu]

I apologize then, I did not know that not everyone was made to pay the fee. However, as Demarthl pointed out, they will all have to eventually. I still believe that either of the two threads before this one would have been perfect to add your points to, but this is simply because I do not like multiple threads on the same topic. A personal bias.

*edit* You miss my point. Though I tire of discussing the efficiency of a thread instead of its contents, to me it is readily apparent that you could have evolved the other threads with your input. If every topic needs to be broken down into separate pieces, this place would be very confusing.

[Hatchnet]

Originally posted by Karyuu
I apologize then, I did not know that not everyone was made to pay the fee. However, as Demarthl pointed out, they will all have to eventually. I still believe that either of the two threads before this one would have been perfect to add your points to, but this is simply because I do not like multiple threads on the same topic. A personal bias.

Reread my post and you will see that though related this is a different topic.

And no niether one of the others would have done as they were about why it happened not a complaint over how it happened.

[Xordan]

If a guild can\'t keep 5 members then imo it shouldn\'t be a guild. Deal with it. 20,000 tria is a very small amount. That\'s 4,000 tria for each member? I would have much higher restrictions in the future anyway. (10 members, more like 100,000 tria.) This is just to get some kind of system in so that we don\'t have 1000\'s of guilds running around and no guilds with dumb names.

Also see:

http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=18676&boardid=33&styleid=4

[Jekkar]

Originally posted by Xordan
If a guild can\'t keep 5 members then imo it shouldn\'t be a guild.
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=18676&boardid=33&styleid=4

What about an elitist guild hmm?
A guild with only members they find fit to be in a guild .
Your disbanding old guilds and keeping newbie mass recruiting guilds with 200 members online . So we\'re all obliged to join the noobie guild now ?

[Xordan]

I want guilds in PS to be guilds, not clans. If a guild can\'t keep 5 members in then they shouldn\'t exist. May as well just group up every time they want to do something. We won\'t cater the guild system around the 4 or less groups of people who want to have their own \'elitist\' guild. To me, being a old guild means nothing. If nobody wants to join, or the guild can\'t find anybody \'worthy\' of joining it, then tough luck. And we don\'t require people to join newbie mass recruiting guilds with 200 members. We want people to have good, well structured guilds with more than 4 members.

[Kiern]

A requirement of 10 members would be pushing it, however...

Out of curiousity, what would happen if a guild had the required number of members then kicked someone out of the guild?

[Zan]

From what I heard a guild that has less than 5 members for 5 minutes disappears.

[mikewsnc]

Ok Xordan you really have to sit back, relaxe and understand that darschis knights is or never was an elitest guild. We resurected this guild maybe 5 days ago. I have been trying to contact my former judgment knights this week. That is something like 45 members. We just want to keep this guild to those who wish to RP and not the PLers. Me myself have no problem with the guild wipe except that it should be done to everyone not just the startup guilds or resurected guilds who have to contact former member (yeah I mean us).
Hatch I should have at least ten grand of that soon. I would have most of it but I donated to another guild to help them get started back up. Either way talk to you all later.

Aranis

[Rerogo]

One way to get around the rule about a minimum of five members would be having alts whose sole purpose is to be a guild member.
And 20,000 tria seems excessive.

[Jakob]

That would be what one might call cheating.  That might be okay for some dark mage guild, but most of us can\'t justify that in the spirit of RP...