The Guild Knights

[Valbrandr]

Actually no I did not answer to that but I have seen you do it many times.  Thats why I sent you that last tell messgage about it being a good question for you to answer.  Someone said \"I hope that\" in the box and yes I did take that one.. but because I thought there was some continuation to that idea.  You act like others are cheaters when I have seen you do all too often.  You are one of the reasons I dont get ingame as often because frankly I dont want to ever see you and you play all day.  But thats enough for now.. I wont do this on someone elses thread.

[noXide]

hmm? Interesting, /me chuckles to himself

[Zaknefein]

Umm yeah.... I think we are getting a little bit out of hand here... And like I said before, just leave the past be.... If he annoys you, ignore him... He is rude to many in my guild, but I just don\'t listen to him.... It seems childish, but the other choice is to get angry about it and start getting pissed at each other... If everyone would stop fighting it would be a much better game.

[Neryam]

Yes let\'s be nice. I don\'t know about the detains but Noxide is friendly to me so.. Just some info.

Update: Ranks were edited to be up-to-date

I didn\'t put history or anything like that in the opening post because:
1) I didn\'t want to type it.
2) Even though I am Knight Avatar,  I didn\'t want to make up the whole history and stick it up.
3) Its kinda useless, although interesting.
4) The post was already pretty long and I put up things that were more useful in favor of the history.

Originally posted by Sangwa
No, this is the kind of guild that has no alignment. Because it\'s not a roleplay guild. Sharing is not a goal, even if it\'s a good belief, when properly backed up with some kind of in character explanation.

If it\'s your objective to interact with roleplaying guilds, it\'s my opinion you become one yourself.
However, if you play the game with the purpose of a powerleveler, then your guild is just perfect.

Well that was rude.. :rolleyes:

So youre saying that groups of people never share things between them? That an order of knights never lends/gives swords to each other to replace lost ones or have a pool of money whice is given to those in need?
No offence, but I think youre quite wrong.

And about the name... YES lots of people say its weird to have \"Guild\" as part of the name.. I know, I don\'t know why its called that. I wonder the same thing.

Go ask sirunie in-game

[Sangwa]

Interesting how you quoted my post and yet seemed not to read it.

I said nothing against groups of people who share things. In fact I told you it\'s a good belief when backed up with the proper information.
I was just saying your guild lacks roleplay content. And that\'s not being rude, it\'s criticizing.

The point is, your guild is missing some information in order to be a good roleplay guild: How and why did the guild appear in Yliakum? What are your goals? How do you pretend to reach those goals?
A background story and a set of goals are big contributions to make your guild more roleplay like.

[Neryam]

Alright then.. If it\'s so important I will make up a large History of the Guild Knights.

But not today, as I have to go to bed..

Andway, Sorry bout that but your post seemed to bash our guild as a PLing guild soo..

Just cause I didn\'t write up a history? :rolleyes:

And our goals are listed in the first post.

[Sangwa]

Information is crucial in roleplay.
And a guild where one of the leaders doesn\'t understand the reason of the guild name doesn\'t seem a very well-thought guild to me.

It\'s impossible to roleplay something if you don\'t know the role you\'re supposed to play.

Helping \"newblets\" and sharing are not valid roleplay goals, in the way I see it.
Unless newblets is some kind of race and the part you\'re living in hydlaa is so uncivilised that your guild is the only one trying to share.

Don\'t take this critics as offensive. If I had anything against you or your guild I wouldn\'t be fighting you in the forums.
I\'m simply stating my opinion and clarifying it, since you hadn\'t fully understood it yet.

[Hatchnet]

Originally posted by Sangwa
Interesting how you quoted my post and yet seemed not to read it.

I said nothing against groups of people who share things. In fact I told you it\'s a good belief when backed up with the proper information.
I was just saying your guild lacks roleplay content. And that\'s not being rude, it\'s criticizing.

The point is, your guild is missing some information in order to be a good roleplay guild: How and why did the guild appear in Yliakum? What are your goals? How do you pretend to reach those goals?
A background story and a set of goals are big contributions to make your guild more roleplay like.

lol Sangwa; how different you arguments are when they are not aimed at me

Well anyways I agree with you on this one, besides all I have ever seen any of the Guild Knights do in game is power level and bug abuse.

[Zaknefein]

Hey, hey, hey.... With you guys seeming so interested in the good of our guild, why don\'t ya help us reform it? Now I\'m not trying to be rude, but I am trying to be logical. If I seem rude, I am very sorry, and please tell me. Seriously make suggestions with a bit more detail if you wish to help... And don\'t worry, I\'m a good writer and will get started on the history and stuff as soon as I can Antra. Everybody just take the time to read and absorb the information of the other peoples\' posts. Once again, I take no sides, but I try to calm people down and release tension. Now Sangwa is right about us needing to clarify our goals and the story behind them. We will speak with Sirunie about it sometime. Remember, be as polite as humanly possible when posting to avoid heated conversations.

[Sangwa]

It\'s normal to be criticised when you post a guild thread. And since it\'s a public forum, you won\'t be getting much help. Just opinions and critics (which count as help, the way I see it).

You must understand that it\'s hard to give you any detailed information without bluntly telling you what to do. The only thing we can do is point out what\'s missing and what\'s not right.
It wouldn\'t help you if we patted your back and told you everything\'s right, \'cause it would be lying.

I can\'t see the reason for a \"chill-out\" post on this thread, but it\'s good to know that there\'s some one concerned with the forum\'s well being.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Drey
the problem with this guild is that you start a guild war and then half your members start crying that people kill them...

for to be a real guild you need to have some discussion about these matters that affect the whole guild, also it sounds like mass promotion blah blah thing.

Are you saying we shouldn\'t invite people who are new?  That\'s pretty stupid if you are suggesting that.

Originally posted by Valbrandr
I really think you should start reading other guild threads on this forum.  That should help some.  There are some things that your opening post is just missing... like a history and it could be made more coherent.  Also no need to put that part \"Not anti DC\".  Not very many  people like them here anyway .  And I would think about changing your guild name.  Basically because it has the word Guild in it.  I guess that is just personal preference... to me it just sounds weird.  Hmm.. anything else???  Ahh.. yeah, your ranks are also a bit weird.  I know they are not exactly the same but your botton three classes. Novice, Apprentice and Page, are quite similar in meaning especially Page and Apprentice.

well, good luck, and just remember your guild is never finished.  Keep on working friend.

I don\'t think that\'s such a priority for them.... they\'re (we\'re?) about having fun, and not about taking themselves (ourselves?) too seriously.

Originally posted by Valbrandr
Actually Neryam is correct.  Noxide is very rude.  he was rude with me ingame telling me how I should not be an advisor... I eventually had to put him on my ignore list because he was treating me as if I was the noob in the situation.  I personally am still upset about it.  So, I assume what Neryam says is correct about him..

Noxide is just one of those people in the game who you have to learn to watch out for.... don\'t let him get to you anymore than I do. :-D  For the record, he\'s obnoxious to non-guild knights as well.

Originally posted by Sangwa
It\'s impossible to roleplay something if you don\'t know the role you\'re supposed to play.

The goals of the guild have already been posted... I know that role playing is important to a lot of people here to the point of elitism, however guild nights fills a niche that needs to be filled.  They have over 100 members, most of them happy, so it should be obvious that they\'re doing something right despite what flaws you see.

[Neryam]

Well anyways I agree with you on this one, besides all I have ever seen any of the Guild Knights do in game is power level and bug abuse.

PLEASE CONTACT US IMMEDIATELY IF YOU SEE A RUDE OR OFFENSIVE GUILD KNIGHT. IT MEANS OUR REPUTATION AND IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE THAT WE KNOW!

Thank you. :rolleyes:
You haven\'t seen Guild Knights do anything except PL and bug abuse? Have you been under a rock this week cause what with the huge size of our guild theres almost always at least 1 guild knight in one of those circles chatting with people..   Everytime I go to the plaza at least one of us is there..

And come on, sure sometimes we bug abuse but EVERYONE has bug-abused. I bet even you have.  :rolleyes:

Thank you Sangwa, History will be added in due time.. And a reason for the name.. Just thought mabye those other things were more important.. Like in Janner\'s Way topic all he had was history.. thats all wall and good but.. not that useful. (Don\'t take this the wrong way r.guppy, I just need some point example to argue with :p)

Oh and neither the Darchis knights not the Shinito blades have histories, go bash theirs and let me off the hook for a while ;( Why me..

[Sangwa]

I\'m not bashing \'cause you don\'t have an history. In fact, even the Dark Empire hasn\'t a background history (though there isn\'t much \"ground\" before us, since we\'re one of the oldest guilds).
The thing is, the information we have on your guild is not enough for us to roleplay with it.
For instance, I don\'t know if your guild simply aids the weak, or if it fights for them as well. I don\'t know if you\'re against the Chaos, or curruption, or if you\'re neutral towards it. I don\'t understand why you do what you do.

Just thought mabye those other things were more important..

Those other things (if you\'re refering to the basis of the guild) are more important. But they\'re not enough if you wish to have a roleplay guild. That\'s what I mean.

It\'s so easy to add what you\'re missing, that I hardly understand why you keep arguing, instead of applying the changes. Unless you have no intention of being a roleplay guild.
Zanzibar is right when he says non-roleplay guilds fill some kind of gap. Not everyone is a roleplayer, and we should respect that.

[Neryam]

Alright..

Update: Added a more consice Goal that touches on History.

OOC: As to why I was \"Arguing\": I had homework to do and also I was feeling Meh about writing a difficult  Essay with large scoops of connotation and persuation. You last post clarified it a bit.

Although I must say, your posts sting and are very heavy critisism..:emerald:

Out of curiosity, why do you always type in green?

[Arklari Rereler]

PLEASE CONTACT US IMMEDIATELY IF YOU SEE A RUDE OR OFFENSIVE GUILD KNIGHT. IT MEANS OUR REPUTATION AND IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE THAT WE KNOW!

 :rolleyes:

Hippocrite.

Sirunie killed a rogue.
/me grumbles, \"Why did you do that. Hippocrite.\"
Sirunie says: They fall through walls.

\"They fall through the walls.\"

\'nuff said.

They did however invite me to they\'re group and that was kind but still...