The Guild Knights

[Hatchnet]

Originally posted by Neryam

Well anyways I agree with you on this one, besides all I have ever seen any of the Guild Knights do in game is power level and bug abuse.

PLEASE CONTACT US IMMEDIATELY IF YOU SEE A RUDE OR OFFENSIVE GUILD KNIGHT. IT MEANS OUR REPUTATION AND IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE THAT WE KNOW!

Thank you. :rolleyes:
You haven\'t seen Guild Knights do anything except PL and bug abuse? Have you been under a rock this week cause what with the huge size of our guild theres almost always at least 1 guild knight in one of those circles chatting with people..   Everytime I go to the plaza at least one of us is there..

And come on, sure sometimes we bug abuse but EVERYONE has bug-abused. I bet even you have.  :rolleyes:

Thank you Sangwa, History will be added in due time.. And a reason for the name.. Just thought mabye those other things were more important.. Like in Janner\'s Way topic all he had was history.. thats all wall and good but.. not that useful. (Don\'t take this the wrong way r.guppy, I just need some point example to argue with :p)

Oh and neither the Darchis knights not the Shinito blades have histories, go bash theirs and let me off the hook for a while ;( Why me..

For starters you want to be told which of your players break the rules? How about we start with your \"Glorious Leader\" Sirunie Looseseye. And let\'s not even get started on Shalmanezer.

Next while I have tested some of the bugs to see how they are done or even to see if they realy are bugs; I do not exploit them.

And one more thing it a bad Idea to acuse the Darschis Knights of not haveing a history when you are talking to the guy that wrote that history. It is my guild after all.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Hatchnet And let\'s not even get started on Shalmanezer.

Oh, so close!  S, not a z.  Oh, and I don\'t cheat.  That leaves a few possibilities for why you would say such a thing:


- You heard it from someone else, and are now repearing it without questioning it.

- I killed something faster than you, and you consider this a bug.

- You\'re a liar.


I\'m the most inclined to believe the first or second, and to HUMOUR your unjust accusation I will ASSUME the second.

It has only recently come to my attention that the definition of kill stealing is broader than using the arrow glitch to interupt someone else\'s attacks.  Despite the continued use of the arrow glitch by many players, I have been specifically targetted by GMs for kill stealing while they go free.  The further trouble however is that I\'m not using the arrow glitch.

I\'m was simply killing creatures faster than the players around me.

Is this a bug or exploit?  No.  Retse, Pinaste, Neeve, and originally Zayek said that competing for spawns, as long as you don\'t use a bug or exploit such as the arrow glitch, is RUDE but LEGAL.

Relatively recently, that has changed.  Now, kill stealing is expanded to include the following:

Kill stealing happens under the following circumstance:

Player A has the intention of killing Monster A
Player B kills Monster A
Therefore, Player B stole Monster A from Player A

Zayek gave me this definition, though worded diferently.  It comes directly from him.  When I asked Retse about it, he did not say it was wrong, so I can only assume it is correct.

Since being told what kill stealing really is, I have avoided killing creatures at spawns that already have people near to them.  If that person is just standing there, not doing anything, I\'ll ask before killing it.  You might think this is silly or impractical, but I have been repeatedly threatened with BANNING because of this new definition of kill stealing.

Have I been KSing?  Without knowing it, yes.  However, many people have been KSing using the arrow glitch -- and they continue to do it -- and no action has come to them that I\'ve seen.  Have I been using a glitch?  No.  A bug?  No.  An exploit?  No.



I hope this clarifies the matter, and I hope you learn something hint hint from what I\'ve posted!

[Valbrandr]

Look, if you are KSing you know it.  There is no way that you wouldnt.  If someone else is at the spawn.. though it may suck because there could be a person at nearly every spawn, you are KSing. There is no way you can say that \"I had no idea I was KSing\"  if you did it... which you say you did.. then you did it and it was intentional.. not you were accidently doing it or whatever.  Some people play by certain rules of conduct and some dont... thats why we are going to have another wipe because instead of reporting bugs many would rather exploit them.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Valbrandr
Look, if you are KSing you know it.  There is no way that you wouldnt.  If someone else is at the spawn.. though it may suck because there could be a person at nearly every spawn, you are KSing. There is no way you can say that \"I had no idea I was KSing\"  if you did it... which you say you did.. then you did it and it was intentional.. not you were accidently doing it or whatever.  Some people play by certain rules of conduct and some dont... thats why we are going to have another wipe because instead of reporting bugs many would rather exploit them.

I had no clue that I was kill stealing.  I was not using a bug or exploit.  I have abided by the new definition of kill stealing.

If you wish to discuss or debate the new definition of kill stealing, then visit my thread in the general discussion forum.

[Arklari Rereler]

Originally posted by Valbrandr
Look, if you are KSing you know it.  There is no way that you wouldnt.  If someone else is at the spawn.. though it may suck because there could be a person at nearly every spawn, you are KSing. There is no way you can say that \"I had no idea I was KSing\"  if you did it... which you say you did.. then you did it and it was intentional.. not you were accidently doing it or whatever.  Some people play by certain rules of conduct and some dont... thats why we are going to have another wipe because instead of reporting bugs many would rather exploit them.

What if person B also had intention of killing monster A. ?

Kill stealing is very rude but I personally think there should be a different way of doing it [Damage Decideds]

Then people could STHU .

And Valbrandr, your GUILDLEADER kill stealed from me and tried to give an explanation of \"I wasn\'t KSing because they fall through the walls.\" In which case they die....

[Hatchnet]

Thats a load of bull Shal. Do you think I was born yesterday? Do you think I\'m not watching you people?

Quit trying to make yourself look better by twisting the truth to suit your own ends. If you see someone waiting there turn to kill a monster and you run up and kill that monster before they have the chance THEN you are kill stilling, and this is something I have seen you and several other Guild Knights do on several occasions.

[ Edited for language. --Karyuu ]

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Hatchnet
Thats a load of bull Shal. Do you think I was born yesterday? Do you think I\'m not watching you people?

Quit trying to make yourself look better by twisting the truth to suit your own ends. If you see someone waiting there turn to kill a monster and you run up and kill that monster before they have the chance THEN you are kill stilling, and this is something I have seen you and several other Guild Knights do on several occasions.

*yawn*  Read the posts....


It\'s probably a mistake to humour you, but think about this:  If someone is standing next to a creature, and someone else is walking towards it, who has the greater \"chance\" of attacking it?  You\'re accusing us of \"running up to creatures and killing them before other people get the chance\".  The chance to what?  To run up and kill it?  No, because that would be a stupid thing to claim.  Aha, you must mean that they\'re standing there already.

Well if they\'re standing there already, they have the best chance to attack it out of everyone -- unless they\'re afk of course.

[ Edited for language. --Karyuu ]

[Zaknefein]

Ok, since I stopped looking at this forums everyone is flaming everyone. Ok, for one thing, I was not suggesting you tell us what to do, I meant just push us in the right direction, second of all I didn\'t mean that Noxide was the only person like that, and he is probably much nicer to people than most. I have been around Nox when he has been nicer than I am. And Sirunie, can be a little wild sometimes, as can I. But none has ever been harmed from our acts as far as I have seen, and I generally think Nox is funny. Rudeness is the least of our problems in anything. If someone is rude to you, don\'t yell or spaz out. I am talking about members of my guild as well, and for some part, mostly. Arguments just make things worse. Calmly discuss, do not get mad, and try and understand what everyone else says. Now I hold nothing against anyone, but people being pissed off annoys me very much... I act differently ingame than I do out of game, and my guild members can probably confirm that, for I act completely obnoxious a lot of times, insulting many people in my own guild, including Sriunie, though when I do it, everyone knows I\'m kidding, so it is a bit different. But the point is, people are peolpe and they will be rude to have a bit of fun. Ignore it, or there will just be more problems. I have a theory on human existence. I believe most humans cannot seem to live without some sort of chaos. They try to find some way to make it. I even do. It is human nature, and few can ignore it. I just wish people of my guild would stop getting pissed at people trying to set us on the right path, and at the people insuklting, however true it may be, our guild. Report specifically to someone like Antra, or even me if you like, and we will make sure it gets taken care of. As for people who steal kills, I dislike it too, though I am often unaware of doing it myself. I often even let people have many turns killing monsters before I do it again. Is there no way we can stop arguing so much?

[Sangwa]

Settle your quarrels in-game, where they belong.

You should have more discern when posting in public forums. Try to keep in mind most people don\'t care about your personal disputes. Your messy posts make it harder to focus on the topic.


Anyway. Your changes are very humuristic, Neryam ^^. I specially like the part when it says \"Summarizing:...\" right after the long speech.
So, I\'ll try to make this my last piece of heavy, stingy criticism:

You don\'t need to sound like you\'re trying to sell your guild\'s membership.
Also, the word Game Masters in a roleplay-like essay, kinda brings down all its role value. Game Masters aren\'t Game Masters in their role. Their function, is most times, OOC.
I would word your goals and beliefs in a different way. For example: \"The Guild Knights seek to rid Yliakum of the Misery and Negligence it has been afflicted with.
Honor, truth and honesty are the ideals Lord Sriunie Looseye chose to guide our Knights\' hands and hearts.
This is why we shall dedicate our lives to provide the needy with what they need.\"

Something looking like that. I\'m not capable of knowing your true goals and beliefs, but this is how I would like to see the information.
There are other ways, like the Darschis Knights did (a set of rules) or a big essay like you wrote. As long as the words Game Masters are removed.

You don\'t need to bluntly please me by inserting a forced speech. I\'m just trying to help you make a roleplay guild, since that seems to be your wish. I\'m not forcing you into it . You can do whatever you like and then tell me if you\'ve had enough opinions already. I won\'t be making you listen against your will.

[Valbrandr]

And Valbrandr, your GUILDLEADER kill stealed from me and tried to give an explanation of \"I wasn\'t KSing because they fall through the walls.\" In which case they die....

Aaaa... I am the guildleader... who are you talking about?  Hmm not you got me wondering if you are just making things up as you go along...

[Ashamn]

What if person B also had intention of killing monster A. ?

Leave the mosnter A alone because it is going to be killed by person A, dont you think?  :rolleyes:

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For what I\'ve read guess we have a lot of new sheriffs in town... No Kill Thief will remain alive no more. HAIL to the sheriffs! Keep up the good work trying to say something that it isnt crap.  

[Sangwa]

Kill Stealing is not to be discussed here. I think it would be better if a moderator had the kindness to remove the off-topic posts about KS from now on.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Sangwa
Kill Stealing is not to be discussed here. I think it would be better if a moderator had the kindness to remove the off-topic posts about KS from now on.

Yeah, well all the threads about kill stealing get locked or deleted anyway so what the blazes is the point?

I\'m talking to Moogie about the c r a p that\'s been pulled in this forum by the moderators.  It\'s out of control.

[Valbrandr]

Actually there goes another delete to your post count.  You have no idea what happens here.  Im not sure if you are even in a position to complain about it because you along with some others are spamers and your posts and thread deserve to be locked or deleted.  You are going to have to keep your attitude in check ingame and at the forums.  And I know how rude you can be.. I was your advisor a few times and the way you were like wtf.. if you are rude to advisors who only try to help (and pad their own AP) then im sure it goes further than that as well.

PS and please dont curse on the forums... you will end up just getting yourself banned..

Already edited before I posted huh

[shorty13]

with no recruitment guidelines and letting all levels invite, it would seem that this is going to be a power recruiting guild to become huge and strong.