The "no dragons" thing and Klyros

[derwoodly]

The whole reason for all the debate, is to develop the lore arround the game.  PS is to be a role play focused game.  PS lore at the moment seems unfinished, so the debates rage on.

[Pestilence]

Klyros look like draconians?

Well think their face is all wrong for that. Agree they have something reptilian and that they have wings ofcourse, but the amphibian underwater breathing doesn\'t sound very standard dragonlike.

[Feye Morgan]

Ah. Okay. Rock on! Having a good, solid mythos behind a world sure does help in building a definative character.

*scratches head* But this debate doesn\'t seem to be going much of anywhere. Although I\'ve learned a lot more about Klyros! Thanks for the answer, derwoodly. I\'ll watch about this thread and pitch in occassionally. I like background. Background is good.

[Neryam]

Dragons were not (are not) reptiles.  

[Malloc]

The word dragon originates from the latin word draco meaning large serpent. Weither dragons are reptiles isn\'t even debateable, lol.

And no, Kylros don\'t look like draconians in my opinion. For the definative answer you\'d have to go to the developers, but if I where to render one, it would be far more amphibian with features closer to that of a fish than a lizard.

[Platyna]

And dragons likes water too. Dragons live on air, earth, water and fire.
And yes, dragons are mythical reptile-like creatures, so there are dragons,
they are just named differently.


Regards.

[Pestilence]

hmm just wondering. Isn\'t one of the characteristics of a reptile that it\'s coldblooded? So if it\'s warmblooded it can\'t officially be a reptile?

Anyhow I rather look at the original \"western\" look at how dragons look and although in the older stories they don\'t always have wings and are called wyrms I can\'t recal seadragons.

The four elements dragons is something new western. Eastern legends do mention them I believe but chinese dragons don\'t have wings normally.

So I stand with the fact that Klyros do not resemble draconians enough to say it\'s just them with an other name.

[Feye Morgan]

Hmm...it seems to me like there really can\'t be a resolution to this debate. Know why?

Because every person has a different view of what a dragon is. Perhaps the legends IRL concerning dragons have been around for so terribly long that everyone has assimilated them for their own. The definition of dragon changes depending on the person and purpose.

So, maybe, before we start comparing dragons to klyros, we should decide what type of dragon we\'re looking at. From the looks of it, I don\'t think that\'s going to happen any time soon.

Everyone has their own definition of a dragon. All well and good. Perhaps what would be more interesting is to have perhaps such a debate in PS. Maybe there could be *legends*, varying *legends* of these things called dragons, and come people think that they\'re Klyros, some people think that Klyros are maybe related to these ancient *myths*, and the rest think that said people are just nuts.

Just a thought.

Because we\'re never going to resolve the debate we\'re on now.

[SuburbanPlankton]

Originally posted by Feye Morgan
Maybe there could be *legends*, varying *legends* of these things called dragons, and come people think that they\'re Klyros, some people think that Klyros are maybe related to these ancient *myths*, and the rest think that said people are just nuts.

Just a thought.

Great idea.  Your assignment for this week is now to go write one, and post it here.

[Feye Morgan]

Ahhhhh, I see. So you guys really *aren\'t* trying to come up with a good mythos background for PS. Aha. And suddenly the reasoning behind this debate sinks away.

So, really, you guys aren\'t trying to be helpful and useful like you claimed (or, at least, like derwoodly claimed).

I see. How disappointing. It seems you guys aren\'t fond of helpful, reasonable criticism and suggestions either. *sigh* What a shame.

Clearly, I\'m not getting through, and clearly this isn\'t a place for someone with reason and logic (like me) to be in. Sorry, everyone, for spoiling your pointless (but fun, I suppose) \'debate\'.

I do hope you all enjoy yourselves. In the meantime, I might just write up a story to that effect. At least I\'d be putting myself to good use, then.

Ta ta!

[SuburbanPlankton]

Actually, I was serious.  We can\'t expect the devs to develop the program, add all of the features we want, purge all of the bugs, and write the entire history of Yliakum all at the same time.  After all, they are programmers, not writers.

So it falls, at least in part, to the players to develop the mythos behind the game.  The skeleton framework has already been written, but as you have observed, much work still needs to be done.

You seem to have some strong opinions about the direction PS should take, which is a very good thing.  My suggestion was that you take those opinions and try to put them onto a story for the rest of us to take a look at.  Perhaps I should have been a bit less tongue-in-cheek with my wording.

Please stick around.  We do sincerely need reason and logic around here.  Just remember that it will always be tempered with a healthy dose of humor.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by SuburbanPlankton
Actually, I was serious.  We can\'t expect the devs to develop the program, add all of the features we want, purge all of the bugs, and write the entire history of Yliakum all at the same time.  After all, they are programmers, not writers.

Hmm... I believe Darkmoon (or in other words, settings team) is responsible for the written stuffs...

[Feye Morgan]

*blinks* Yay! Yes! Finally someone who didn\'t respond to me with sarcasm! *glomps SuburbanPlankton*

I\'m sorry! I\'ve gotten used to people responding to me with snarkiness and sarcasm, so I assumed (very badly, and I appologize again), that you were doing the same.

Thank you very much for taking me seriously! Yes, I\'ll stick around. I\'m very sorry, once again!

Now, I am new to PS, so I\'ve only a vague idea of the world so far at best. But I\'d like to help with whatever ideas I get and have got already. I can\'t promise much in the way of speed (college is killing me with a workload the size of the Kalahari Desert), but I\'ll definitely stick around.

Tempered with a sense of humor. Right. Got it. ^_^ Thank you so much.

[SuburbanPlankton]

Originally posted by Draklar

Originally posted by SuburbanPlankton
Actually, I was serious.  We can\'t expect the devs to develop the program, add all of the features we want, purge all of the bugs, and write the entire history of Yliakum all at the same time.  After all, they are programmers, not writers.

Hmm... I believe Darkmoon (or in other words, settings team) is responsible for the written stuffs...

Ah.  I was not aware of that.

Though that does not change my original sentiment.  I think that any of us who might have something to contribute should do so.  Whether or not any of it becomes \"canon\" should not be of prime importance.

[Bnm85]

Wow, this is much better than the initial spam. Loving most of the responses so far. And Malloc, thank you for understanding the point I was trying to make. That\'s exactly what I meant. And no, I don\'t think that Klyros are Draconians with just another name either. But I still see something draconian in them, and I like it! I\'m actually beginning to like Klyros more now.

And Feye, relax! Not everything has to be a furious debate that either has to prove something or end. This is a message board, I enjoy peoples\' views and opinions tremendously. A lot of things stated here are very educational for others, especially on dragon origins and such. Just enjoy the discussion, that was the point of it.

Oh, and as for Klyros looking amphibious and fish-like, that\'s to be expected. Even drawings of various water dragons have fish-like scales on them. I think that\'s pretty common when making something fantastic and amphibious.


Btw, anyone remembers \"The Flight of Dragons\"? The Asian dragon did have small wings in there too.