Author Topic: IS this the last wipe?  (Read 2158 times)

Bnm85

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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2005, 04:57:05 am »
Sorry but money isn\'t a non-issue when it comes to big gaming projects like that. Otherwise, people wouldn\'t use an excuse that PS can\'t be compared to better commercial projects because those devs get paid for their work. If they did it for a living and got paid on a regular basis, the game wouldn\'t be taking this long to complete. Please don\'t say it\'s just a hobby by choice. It wouldn\'t be for everyone. Several interested artists and developers have already expressed that they\'d like to do this sort of thing for a living some day. Even PS site itself explains that some people join and contribute to improve their portfolio. Guess what portfolios are for?

Besides, why would you lose 1/2 of the community if there was a \"make a donation\" option (which is all I suggested)? That kind of money wouldn\'t lose anyone.

As for refusing a donation, I guess it depends on their reasoning. Some devs refuse donations because they feel that as soon as people start paying any sort of money, the devs will have to take more responsibility for their work, be more sensitive to peoples\' complaints and suggestions. Reviews that criticize PlaneShift may begin mentioning donations as an excuse for justifying a harsher critique. A lot of devs don\'t like to carry that responsibility.

As for \"it wouldn\'t do anything\", that\'s not true. It could be put towards paying for the areas that lack volunteers. For example, professional voice acting for some NPCs. Unless, they already have such candidates that are willing to do it for free? That\'s just one example anyway.

But if the devs have already made up their minds that they will absolutely not accept any donations, now or in the future, then nevermind. :)
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SuburbanPlankton

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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2005, 05:06:50 am »
Bnm85, do you have some money burning a hole in your pocket?

I, too, wondered why there was no \"Make a donation\" link when I first got here.  But if the devs don\'t want donations, they don\'t want donations.  End of discussion.

Bnm85

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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2005, 06:47:54 am »
Well, that\'s my money, so it\'s for me to decide what to do with it. Which means it\'s none of your business, doesn\'t it? ;)

Do you honestly believe that I\'d be making all the donations, anyway?

As for \"end of discussion\", that\'s not for you to decide. Plus, you might want to read the part where I said \"then nevermind\" again, if you missed it the first time. ;)

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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2005, 09:05:04 pm »
If you want to donate money to help planeshift, one option is to support Crystalspace, our 3d engine. they have a donation page here:
 http://www.crystalspace3d.org/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=Project+Donations
there are other ways to spend your money, but nothing is needed. Best to just have fun playing :)

Answer to the orginal question: no.

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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2005, 02:10:20 am »
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there is no incentive in the world that can make any dev work faster, except the solving of those RL problems.


Money. ;)

Also, I don\'t think free time is determined just by having or not having RL problems.

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I don\'t think any active member on the dev team is just \"strolling\" through his or her PS duties, or not putting in their absolute best effort. When it\'s a hobby, when it\'s something you love to do, you are already working on it as much as you can.


Well, I don\'t think they\'re just \"strolling\" through their duties either, nor did I ever say they did. And I don\'t think that a hobby necessarily means you\'re working on it as much as you can but rather as much as you feel like. Doesn\'t mean you don\'t make your best effort when you do, however. Also, you\'re forgetting to take in factors like lack of inspiration or motivation intervals. Writers write because they love to write. But sometimes there\'s no motivation to write, even if you have spare time. Donations could help with such a motivation. :D
Writers write because they love to write. They do it for a living because it is possible. If their writing did not bring them a paycheck, they would find another career, and continue writing as a hobby. In fact, many do find other jobs, for the sake of having a stable income while doing what they love. Money is not a real or remotely effective motivation or inspiration for creative works of any kind.

The fact is that an income is a necessity; if one cannot earn a living through creative works, one must spend at least some time elsewhere, whereas if one does receive payment for this, it becomes more possible to devote more time to it. However, money will not make a person work more, nor better, creatively speaking. If a person has the time to write a story and the will to do so, telling them \"I will pay you $10 per page you write.\" is liable only to encourage worthless filler that has no texture, no flavor, and no depth, if it has any effect at all (which is unlikely). Creativity cannot be purchased.

And so we have developers who have refused donations, and who have claimed an interest in improving their portfolios. In other words, these are people who are not doing this for a paycheck (because they already have an income), and people who are interested in making a living doing this, and thus being able to devote more of their time to such work. These are people with the heart and drive necessary to make Planeshift and other works the best that they can be, and it is naive to think for a moment that money will make everything better.

To address the original question, I hope it is not, and I expect that it is not. Even though I have put considerable effort into making my character what she is (and twice, at that), I am pleased to see progress, and would gladly do it again (perhaps under a different system). Wipes give us all a chance to examine the progress of the game.