Things i would do... II

[dirx]

Well since There were questions, and things i wanted to respond to, and someone closed the last topic, I\'ll just make a new one...

Your own project going so well that you are willing to jump ship that quickly? Doesn\'t sound like the type of person we are looking for.

It\'s very easy to make a claim that \'our game won\'t have these bugs\'....

Never said i would \'Jump Ship\' on my project. My Focus would be My Project and then Planeshift, I like helping people, and that is why i made the topic in the first place, TO GIVE INPUT.
And that is what you and most everyone else is saying, Your want to get input from players, and I did (NO need for people to rip my head off about it)

But i was a bit harsh with some of the things, wasn\'t my intent...Bad day, So i\'m sorry about the things i said about the Dev team and that.

You said you didn\'t know how to talk to people.

I didn\'t make what i said clear, i couldn\'t figure out how to talk to NPCs, You know, the people who give you information....and if it is the /talk type thing, then mabey a \"TALK\" thing when you right click would be better.

Oh and ThomPhoenix, That little Red star, Means your what a Mod? part of the Dev team, either way, If you act like that (RUDE) to new people who join the forums, people will leave, and not play PS, which from what i got from acraig\'s messages, This is a comunity based game.

And I addressed my comments above and I\'m sorry about them. And I my Project won\'t be ready for a whil.

For the love of crap, get a spellchecker for your browser...

You know, people don\'t really make a big deal over spelling  over the internet, with people speaking leet and such, and then there are TYPO\'s...
And again, Rude person with a red star, as i said above, You might want to be a bit nicer, people will not play a game when the staff are rude to them, for making Opions, and whil I could have gave my opion a little less \"Cocky\" the base idea is still there.

... timetable drift or merely a typo?

that was a typo, steuben, Out of the other people with red starts, i would have to say, your the nicest, abit rude, but not as much as the other two (Not including acraig

Now, Just to make it clear, my Project is PRE-production, we are working on gameplay and working on the engine. The Programing Department Leader, has adviced agenst using Crystal Blue, becouse of the lack of features such a shading and such... we\'ve decided on a diffrent one. OH and acraig, i will Give you a buzz (everyone if they like) when we have a playable version out, but it will be a whil. Like i said, we are post-production.... :p It\'s pre-production... ^_^ It was a joke (The post -Production)

and last thing, Moogie.
For a mod, your again (Like many above) are rude. and closing a topic, just becouse you don\'t agree with what the person has said is just a sad thing to do.

I havn\'t replyed to any of what the normal members have said (Only people with the red stars) as My  post was for the Dev Team. For a game based on the Community, so acraeg says, There are alot of Rude people in places of power, who don\'t like it when people give opions.

and again, I know my first two posts were very cocky, and aragent, and I\'m sorry.

[Zebazar]

I think it is great that you use Planeshift to learn about making a game. The Planeshift devs should be proud about that.

The things you don\'t like about this game, are the things that you don\'t want to do in your own game.

You forget that planeshift has a huge amount of happy and sattisfied players like me. Who respect you opinion but don\'t share it at all.

You can not say that you can do games like planeshift a lot better. You don\'t even have your own game in alpha.  Who knows what kind of trouble you run in to.

The planeshift devs always said that their game will be the best game ever in its genre. And while they are long away from that goal. At least they reached a lot of happy players and where able to show what they can do.

The only thing you can show us now is your very big mouth, and no game at all.

So.... stop playing planeshift and begin with your own game and after a few years you can come back to tell us why your game is better than planeshift.

[Zebazar]

It completely logical, that the mods are closing these kind of topics. The things about planeshift that bother you are known already. Nothing new.

The only thing new is your big mouth. People got a change to react on that. However that is not the meaning whit this forum, so the mods close the topic.

And they better close this one as well.

[dirx]

I never said i was playing Planeshift to learn how to make a game.

your secound stament about the things i don\'t like are more or less correct, but with one little problem,

\"The things you don\'t like about this game, are the things that you don\'t want to HAPPEN in your own game.\"

I didn\'t forget that it has alot of people. and i know alot (Ok, ALL) don\'t share my view. I respect the member base of Plainshift for the fact the despit it\'s many bugs that are being worked on, they are still here. I can only hope that My Project gets that kind of Loyalty.

I don\'t see what stage my Project is in has any baring on wither the game will be better or not... I never said that my Project is going to be anything LIKE planeshift, and i don\'t think that PS will become the best game ever in its genre, even though it\'s far from it\'s goal. Look at Final Fantasy XI, World of warcarft, and Guild wars. Those are the games PS has to contend with. The only thing PS has over all those game, IN IT\'S CURRENT STAT, is that it\'s free...To download and Play, the other closest game to that is Guild wars, where you only have to buy the Software.

The only thing you can show us now is your very big mouth, and no game at all.

So.... stop playing planeshift and begin with your own game and after a few years you can come back to tell us why your game is better than planeshift.

Your Right, I have nothign to show...and i\'ve never said other wise, My project is in PRE-production, meaning we are working on gameplay, graphics, Concept, staff recruting, and things like that. We already have all the staff needed, but, we want more then one person in each department. It mabey be a few months before we even get started on Programing, Modeling, and everything else like that. and We are going to make a test version avaliable to \"HELPERS\" who are people who have no talent in any of the departments and which to help, they will be our testers. It may take longer to get it out, but really, we\'re in no rush.

OH and i don\'t have an issue with closing topics, i just have an issue when people ask me question, and then the topic gets closed and i can\'t respond.

[Rage McCloud]

ok let me put in my say... i was going to in the other but i didnt get to it \"in time\" if you know what i mean. I do not mean any offense to anything in my post... i learned how to move as soon as i joined... i mean normally up arrow or even w are forward... so thats what i pressed and ZAPPO i walked forward... and the talking to NPC\'s yes you have right to say that that is confusing. you must click them then say either hello or do you have a quest or something simple like that. And stop saying all this crap about your pre production game... if you hate planeshift THAT much then just leave... you have already made your point and now your just making it AGAIN... and then you flame everything you can and call US rude... there is a saying i love... it is think before you speak... read that two times and then sleep on it... you may learn something...

[SuburbanPlankton]

Please, PLEASE, PLEASE get a spell checker for your browser, or copy your post into a word-processing program and spellcheck it there, or open up a dictionary, or anything!  While you are at it, you might want to get your hands on a grammar textbook and read up on proper capitalization rules.

 Your posts are difficult to read because of the numerous errors.  Your opinions (here, and in the world at large) will carry much more weight if they are presented in a more professional manner.

[dirx]

Rage McCloud, I never ONCE said i didn\'t like PS. I\'m just saying that it is heavly bugged.

I\'m not calling everyone rude, just the few that are rude.

I\'m not making my point again, I\'m responding to what people have said about my views.

I worked out the Movement Buttons, but in most MMO\'s the use on system not the both, IE, Either the Arrow Buttons or WADS.

SuburbanPlankton, I present my views in what ever way i want. Aprat from this forum, No one seems to mind bad spelling, IT\'S A FACT OF LIFE. You will meet people with WORSE spelling then mine.

[Antranianni]

See, the main problem were not the things you said, but HOW you said them... you made yourself everybodys enemy right with your first post. Actually, I\'m really astonished how rather nice the answers in the first thread were, in other communities you\'ld have been flamed right away (and, no offense, quite justified).

Apologizing for your rude words, but at the same time complaining about the rude answers to that, didn\'t help either - just leave it be at that, it seems like you DO have interesting things to say and it would be a shame if people would simply start to ignore you because of a bad start.

Also, please try to understand why people are thinking what you said sounded hilarious: Did you ever make a game yourself before? It DOES sound easy first, and on the paper it might look like everything will just go fine - but to be true, for Planeshift to even come as far as it did by now is a HUGE acomplishment. Most games die within the first 6-12 months (the rest going down after another 4 months), because what sounded easy at first turned out to be a pain in the... well, you know.

I\'ve participated in quite a couple of game developments up to now, and only ONE of them didn\'t end up dying. The main problem is, non-profit development is SLOW, no matter how many people volunteer to help at the beginning.

Believe me, 99% of the people you recruit now will be gone within a couple of weeks and you\'ll constantly have vacant positions within your team - vacant positions that\'ll slow down development even more - and slow development kills commitment - and a lack of commitment results in fewer developers - and fewer developers result in vacant positons... you see were this is going?

That\'s the reason why people laugh at you when you talk about how much better your game will be than Planeshift - Planeshift simply is one of the really, really rare non-profit gaming projects that managed to survive past the initial 12 months, so it\'s rather hilarious to compare it to a pre-development project.

But - and again I believe you should just try to get on good terms with everybody again - it seems like you could help make Planeshift a bit better, as long as you stop telling the devs what they (in your opinion) are doing wrong and start proposing better ways to do it. I\'m sure your suggestions WOULD be appreciated!

[Leeloo]

Originally posted by dirx
I worked out the Movement Buttons, but in most MMO\'s the use on system not the both, IE, Either the Arrow Buttons or WADS.

Wow, are you saying that you could easily figure out a game that uses the arrow keys, and a different game that uses WASD, but you have a problem when the came accepts both, and lets you use the one you prefer?

[Neryam]

@Leelo Lol true
I agree with Antranianni, everything was said there

You say your game will have less bugs than PS, more complete char creation and etc. Do you realize that the game is still far from done? And there is no way a game will not have errors in its development. THis what we have here is right in the middle of development, and errors are expected! The char creation is inaquadate but obviously it won\'t stay that way.

And if you say don\'t release it to the public until it is modrately done, then I say why not?? If you think there are too many bugs and not enough char creation choices just don\'t play it and wait till its done! I don\'t think that\'s so hard. Releasing to the public like this allows far greater and faster debugging, and since we don\'t make any money from this it won\'t matter.

Oh and people with red stars are not devs.

[acraig]

I am wondering which engine you will use?  Crystal Space is pretty full featured for a free and cross platform engine.  There are a couple of other ones that I know of.  There is ogre which is also free and Torque Game Engine which is pretty cheap.  I guess it depends on your game time.   But working with the Crystalspace team is quite enjoyable and I don\'t think you will find another engine team as helpful.

I think the point that people were trying to make in the other thread is that planning a game is totally different then having an actual game out there ( despite the bugs ).   So it\'s a little bit unfair to make a claim about how your project won\'t have many bugs.  Believe me, it will.  Unless you have some VERY rigorous testing schemes.  But those are often boring and nobody wants to do those.  

For the size and complexity of PlaneShift I think we are doing pretty good bug wise.  There were some REAL doozy bugs that took hours to track down and fix.

I also think it\'s unfair to compare PlaneShift to other commercial release game like WoW.  I cannot find any numbers for them but I am pretty sure it was years of development time and millions of dollars.  The next generation games could have a budget of upwards of $30,000,000 ( yes, that\'s 7 0\'s ).  My development costs?  The price of my machine, all the software I use is free.

I play WoW and I realize what an outstanding job they did.  But have you ever read the technical help forum?The players there get very *vocal* about bugs and that forum is over 300 pages long so sounds like they have a few bugs there even with millions of dollars in development.

[ThomPhoenix]

I didn\'t make what i said clear, i couldn\'t figure out how to talk to NPCs, You know, the people who give you information....and if it is the /talk type thing, then mabey a \"TALK\" thing when you right click would be better.

LOL!! You should have read the guides!!
If you click on an NPC you can simply talk to it by typing in the chat window, that easy. You must say thing to the npc like \"do you have a quest for me?\" or \"how are you\" or \"hello\". Simple huh?

Oh and ThomPhoenix, That little Red star, Means your what a Mod? part of the Dev team, either way, If you act like that (RUDE) to new people who join the forums, people will leave, and not play PS, which from what i got from acraig\'s messages, This is a comunity based game.

No, I\'m not a mod. If you had studied the forums more carefully, you would\'ve seen that I\'m a \"double as\" and the mods and devs have \"moderator\" or \"programmer\" under their names, just like Acraig. The red start only means I\'m around here a bit longer. And I\'m not rude to new people. But if you start shouting \"I can\'t talk to npc\'s, it\'s really stupid, my game is better\" and you didn\'t even read the guides, well, it kind of pisses people off. And I wasn\'t even rude, you were more rude then me. You basically said that PS was crap and you could do better, but you didn\'t even read the guides. I was only making fun of your inability to do something simple as chatting. I also think you underestimate what it takes to make a good game...for free.

You know, people don\'t really make a big deal over spelling over the internet, with people speaking leet and such, and then there are TYPO\'s...
And again, Rude person with a red star, as i said above, You might want to be a bit nicer, people will not play a game when the staff are rude to them, for making Opions, and whil I could have gave my opion a little less \"Cocky\" the base idea is still there.

This is a nice forum, we don\'t do leetspeak all the time. Because PS is a community with people from all over the world, it would only make communication more complex.
And for typo\'s, we have the nice \"edit\" button. And I\'m always nice to people who have opinions on PS, but I do expect them to read the guides and search around a bit before they say that talking to npc\'s is hard (which it is not, if you know how to do it and use common sense)

becouse of the lack of features such a shading

I thought CS did have shading...
From the CS website:

New renderer supports advanced shaders for making special effects. Shaders can use CG, vertex programs, fragment programs, and more.

And check this new CS screenshot:
http://community.crystalspace3d.org/tiki-browse_image.php?galleryId=5&sort_mode=created_desc&desp=0&offset=0&imageId=280

I havn\'t replyed to any of what the normal members have said (Only people with the red stars) as My post was for the Dev Team. For a game based on the Community, so acraeg says, There are alot of Rude people in places of power, who don\'t like it when people give opions.

\"normal members\" are too stupid or what?

[Lordbug]

PlaneShift with no bugs... That would be real fanatsy...
Personaly I think the bugs of PS is what makes it fun
Plus it\'s the only mmorpg I know where you feel close to the dev team...

Anyway time for the quotes of d00m! mwahah!

OH and acraig, i will Give you a buzz (everyone if they like) when we have a playable version out

poke me too

Oh and ThomPhoenix, That little Red star, Means your what a Mod? part of the Dev team, either way, If you act like that (RUDE)

When some people get a high status even when it\'s just the stars they get ruder and/or too cocky...
*is the kind of person that thinks is better than everyone and whatever he does it\'s always better

Please, PLEASE, PLEASE get a spell checker for your browser, or copy your post into a word-processing program and spellcheck it there, or open up a dictionary, or anything! While you are at it, you might want to get your hands on a grammar textbook and read up on proper capitalization rules.

Who cares? As long as it\'s understandable... I\'m pretty sure your brains can decode a word... right? ^^
Many people make mistakes... Maybe everyone should point yours everytime you make one? (I\'m not going to do it... it\'s too troublesome...)

Rage McCloud, I never ONCE said i didn\'t like PS. I\'m just saying that it is heavly bugged.

Bugs is what makes PS so much fun!


@Antranianni: I love your char drawing did you draw it?
Oh and nice words there...

And for typo\'s, we have the nice \"edit\" button.

Edit and preview... but sometimes one doesn\'t notice them right?
What\'s the problem with typos? everyone makes them

I didn\'t make what i said clear, i couldn\'t figure out how to talk to NPCs, You know, the people who give you information....and if it is the /talk type thing, then mabey a \"TALK\" thing when you right click would be better.

Reading the guides helps alot
Hmm... but I do think there should be a tab to separate NPC chating from the rest...

[ThomPhoenix]

When some people get a high status even when it\'s just the stars they get ruder and/or too cocky...
*is the kind of person that thinks is better than everyone and whatever he does it\'s always better

I don\'t think I was rude, no more rude then he was.
And if I was, then I\'m sorry. And I don\'t think it\'s true that when people get higher status they get ruder. Newbies are usually more rude because they don\'t know that PS is a tech-demo and they start flaming on the bugs.

[Vordextro]

Hey dirx, these folk are correct about your manner of capitalization/writing. It pisses people off.

For instance when you capitalize the \"m\" in \"my\".

Example \"My Focus would be My Project and then Planeshift, I like helping people, and that is why i made the topic in the first place, TO GIVE INPUT.\"

If you\'ve ever cracked open any literature, fiction or otherwise you realize there are only a ways the reader can \"hear\" that sentence. The most obvious would be that you\'re referring to yourself as God or a god. You\'re not except perhaps in your own head. Otherwise most people would hear the petulant voice of a child.

Example \"Maybe I won\'t invite you to My party! Besides, My dolly is prettier than yours because My dolly has a red dress and yours only has a linen napkin. Furthermore, Elizabeth and I don\'t like you anymore, We think you should GO AWAY!\"

Pretty much everything you\'ve typed has this strange overtone to anyone over the age of 6. It\'s almost but not quite entirely due to you not knowing the when why how of it all in regards to capital letters and their function in the words of a sentence.

The odd effect this has on what you\'re trying to convey is the reason you\'re generating so much negativity. Try as you might to claim that the internet or 1337 is an actual reason for people to dumb down or accept those who do dumb down most people won\'t accept it in the setting of a forum. Perhaps you\'d be more in your element over on the Counterstrike forums.

Don\'t be too offended at how I\'ve broken it down for you, you were obviously completely unaware.