Global Auction system...

[Nitidus]

I\'ve just noticed that the /auction command doesn\'t advertise globaly.

Why should we?, you ask:
Because some merchants like to set up the shop in places other than Hydlaa Plaza, but find they cannot  sell very many items, unless they travel to the Plaza.

I realize this could be abused, and become rather frustrating, but I believe it is a vital part of any MMORPG, and is definatley needed in Planeshift.



Thank you for your time.

[zabeal]

Auction is limited to make sure that you can only sell to people who might be interested. And besides, are you really going to negotiate with somone in Hydlaa over merchandice in Ojaveda?
I would like to see more RP ways of trading however. Public bulletins and town criers might be a start, but surely we can come up with more new ideas for PlaneShift.

[Karyuu]

I disagree with you, Nitidus. The /auction command is already being abused, and isn\'t realistic in any way. \"Shouting\" that you are selling a \"55 slash broadsword for >20k\" is a bunch of bull, and a great annoyance. There should be a better auction system where players/characters have to be within eyesight of each other to even know that something is being auctioned off. We do not need -any- global chat, whatsoever. The first priority of PlaneShift should be roleplay, so all suggestions must be made with this in mind.

[Draklar]

Yeah, I don\'t think /auction should exist at all... /say should be enough for this sort of thing.

[Nitidus]

I knwo /zuction can become extremley annoying, so I was hoping someone else would make an alternative suggestion.

@Zabeal:
I agree with you on this one, a public bulletin listing player-known shops, there current status, and a ruff idea of what they sell, could work rather well, I think.
Of course it could be a slight pain to implement, but it could prove useful...


Thank you for your comments.

[Nikodemus]

people shout their offers, because it is the way how things are being sold on the marketplace. Everyone are shouting what they have to offer. Chickens, apples, weapons. They make it as short and informative as possible. Thats the reason why it is so loud on marketplace.
The reason why they say the weapon damage is because they can and it is how the devs set this world for now. PS is a world where everybody know how good is each weapon.

I see what you mean that it may be annoying to see all these messages, but it is the way how things look like on marketplace. One of these places is Hydlaa plaza.

Also i do agree Nitidus is completly wrong.

[Zan]

I like the idea of leaving written bulletins at public places to advertize for a shop. Or for that matter to advertize for anything at all.

[Karyuu]

Originally posted by Nikodemus
people shout their offers, because it is the way how things are being sold on the marketplace. Everyone are shouting what they have to offer. Chickens, apples, weapons. They make it as short and informative as possible. Thats the reason why it is so loud on marketplace.

So it should be confined to a marketplace, and marketplace only. Not the tavern, not Hydlaa alleyways, not Akkaio huts. Right now there is no central pre-determined area for players to gather in to sell their wares, so /auction is just barely excusable. However, it should definitely be taken care of in future updates/releases.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Nikodemus
Everyone are shouting what they have to offer.

Then they should be /shout\'ing (Although in the chaos of market, their shouts wouldn\'t go further than what you get by using /say). There\'s no reason for the /auction command what so ever...

[Nikodemus]

Originally posted by Karyuu
So it should be confined to a marketplace, and marketplace only. Not the tavern, not Hydlaa alleyways, not Akkaio huts. Right now there is no central pre-determined area for players to gather in to sell their wares, so /auction is just barely excusable. However, it should definitely be taken care of in future updates/releases.

Marketplaces are there where people are trading. It aren\'t defined places like you would like to see it, but places created by people interested in trading. There is no natural rule which would forbid people from shouting things. Streets are public area. Tavern is owned by Kada-El  ond others in charge. It is up to them to kick such troublemakers outside, if they loose customers or just don\'t ike such behaviour.
Sad that such rules aren\'t going to happen anytime soon and everybody are untouchable as long as they want.

EDIT
I believe the /auction command is same as /shout but we have additional way of filtering it. I see it as advantage.
I agree that the noise on marketplace is so big that the shout don\'t travel long. Unfortunately it would be hard to imlement, same as hard as voice range decreased by obstacles.
But i believe forbiding people from shouting things isn\'t better solution. Maybe easy to make, but not better.

[Zan]

This is a bit off-topic but this whole thing made me wonder ...

I \'ve found out a lot of people dislike shouting so why is the option there? When is it ok to shout something and when isn\'t it?
Personally I think shouting is useful when trying to address a wider audience. You shout when you want more people than the ones directly around you to hear you but I \'ve seen even if the reason is right people still dislike it. Something I don\'t get. Of course if you see someone shouting because they need to ask a question that is wrong, help channel serves that purpose and if someone shouts to reach one person, also wrong because we have the /tell command for that. But for advertizing things I don\'t see why we couldn\'t use the shout. Or do we really need professional town criers for that?

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Nikodemus
EDIT
I believe the /auction command is same as /shout but we have additional way of filtering it. I see it as advantage.

Yes, exactly... It\'s filtering shouts... Something that normally shouldn\'t happen.

Zan: I use /shout in any situation that I would normally use it. For example if I want to bring attention of a person that stands too far away to be contacted by /say.
But I also experienced situations that seemed as if few people got drunk and decided to talk in /shout about Quake... or other things that could be quite disruptive for role-playing. And that from long time PS players... I think it\'s a reason to encourage using it more often... So it won\'t be treated as an ooc channel...

[Valbrandr]

I have no problem with the /shout command but it is sure annoying when people give us updates that no one needs.. like /shout BRB.  I do hate that.  And I always dont like people that have a chat in the Auction window.  Nitidus is a merchant for the Community of Vaalnor is one of the reasons this was brought here.  I know it will not be a problem when more people frequent Ojaveda.  But I do very much like the idea of having some type of bulletin board somewhere in Hydlaa and Ojaveda that we can pay some money and make an entry.  Just one way to advertise which would be very realistic.  We have 4 members right now that just want to be merchants and nothing else.. but they also want to be effective/efficient merchants so they are not just wasting time.  A bulletin board would be a pretty good addition I think.. it could have daily news on it and whatever.. anytime there is a festival, or any organized event people would easily be able to find out without trying to find it on the forums.

[Archon]

I would like to see bulletin boards in PS myself. I am one of those merchants Val mentioned. It is difficult for me to get business when there is a lack of communication. The bulletins would be great for this.

Bulletin boards would also be taken advantage of by spammers/flamers but this can be reduced with one post per day per person.

Also, it could be possible to buy a sign and post it on trees, buildings, buy posts to attach signs to, etc... Laws could be implemented to fine players for littering by posting in certain areas and what not.

[Lordbug]

Bulletin board and topwn criers seems to be a great idea.

I agree with Archon. Anyone could put boards in whereever they want. But if someone puts a board at Harnquist\'s Shack and the Temple with no authorization, the poster will have to deal with the consequences ^^
This will also give \"job\" to (RP) law enforcers.