User System Specs Discussion

[Cha0s]

Firstly, I\'m issuing a call for everyone that has not posted their Mac system specs in the sticky at the top of the forum to do so now.

Secondly, I\'m opening this thread to discuss the specs, any patterns you might see, any ideas you might have as to why certain configurations work and others don\'t. Right now, the idea is that nVIDIA cards combined with OS 10.3.x are the culprit (perhaps there was a driver update in 10.4.x?). If anyone can confirm/disprove this, please post your thoughts here.

The main reason for this thread is to let you, the PS Mac community, help us out in the bug-fixing process. Hopefully, we can gather enough information to sort this bug out quickly, but we need your help!

Again, if you have not posted your specs, please do so. Remember to keep them up to date as well. Thanks!

[stfrn]

Also, I have seen a few post that they had problems, but finally got an update that fixed everything. So if you cannot play, please try the updater. And if the updater doesn\'t work, try Cha0s\' updater. And if that doesn\'t work... erm, I dunno

I would like to get a good list of what bugs effect every mac user, and what effects some people under some situations. Mac specific issues will likely need to be dealt with by DFryer or Cha0s who actually have macs, or the CrystalSpace people who don\'t and cause random problems But bigger issues I will try to look at from a general perspective.

Edit:

Failed to load plugin crystalspace.renderloop.step.generic.type; pandemonium will ensue.

Do people get that? That could be major, I\'ll have to ask others later what that even means

[Cha0s]

For those that don\'t know, stfrn is a helpful dev who has taken a particular interest to the Mac problems (which I thank him for). If he has any questions, please answer him as best you can. Thanks!

[Cha0s]

Originally posted by Ciarra
System Specs:
System Version:   Mac OS X 10.3.9 (7W98)
  Kernel Version: Darwin 7.9.0
Machine Model:  Power Mac G4
  CPU Type: PowerPC G4  (2.1)
  Number Of CPUs:  1
  CPU Speed:   933 MHz
  L2 Cache (per CPU):    256 KB
  L3 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB
  Memory:   768 MB
  Bus Speed:  133 MHz
  Boot ROM Version:  4.3.3f2
DIMM0/J21:
  Size:    256 MB
  Type:   SDRAM
  Speed:   PC133-333
DIMM1/J22:
  Size:  512 MB
  Type:   SDRAM
  Speed:   PC133-333
PDC20268:
  Name:   UltraTek100Root
  Type:  Other Mass Storage Controller
  Bus: PCI
  Slot:  SLOT-5
GeForce4 MX:
  Type:   display
  Bus:   AGP
  Display Type:  LCD
  Slot:  SLOT-1
  VRAM (Total):   64 MB
Display:
  Type:    display
  Display Type:  LCD
  VRAM (In Use): 64 MB
  Resolution:  1024 x 768
  Depth:  32-bit Color
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Console log when attempting to run \"psclient\":

===== Wed Sep 21 2005 ===== 07:36:59 US/Eastern =====
SCF_WARNING: class planeshift.sound.soundmanager (from /Volumes/Empty Volume/Planeshift3D/pssound.csplugin) has already been registered in the same context `app\' (in /Volumes/Empty Volume/Planeshift3D/psclient.app/Contents/Resources/pssound.csplugin)
Crystal Space for MacOS/X 0.99 r0 [MacOS/X-powerpc-GCC]
Ported to MacOS/X by Eric Sunshine

  WARNING! Crystal Space performs better in 24 or 32 bit display mode!

planeshift.application.client:
  PlaneShift Crystal Blue
  This game uses Crystal Space Engine created by Jorrit and others
  0.99 r0 [MacOS/X-powerpc-GCC]
LOG_ANY flag deactivated.
LOG_WEATHER flag deactivated.
LOG_SPAWN flag deactivated.
LOG_CELPERSIST flag deactivated.
LOG_PAWS flag deactivated.
LOG_GROUP flag deactivated.
LOG_CHEAT flag deactivated.
LOG_LINMOVE flag deactivated.
LOG_SPELLS flag deactivated.
LOG_NEWCHAR flag deactivated.
LOG_SUPERCLIENT flag deactivated.
LOG_EXCHANGES flag deactivated.
LOG_ADMIN flag deactivated.
LOG_STARTUP flag deactivated.
LOG_CHARACTER flag deactivated.
LOG_CONNECTIONS flag deactivated.
LOG_CHAT flag deactivated.
LOG_NET flag deactivated.
LOG_LOAD flag deactivated.
LOG_NPC flag deactivated.
LOG_TRADE flag deactivated.
LOG_SOUND flag deactivated.
LOG_COMBAT flag deactivated.
LOG_SKILLXP flag deactivated.
LOG_QUESTS flag deactivated.
LOG_SCRIPT flag deactivated.
LOG_MARRIAGE flag deactivated.
Mounting skin: /planeshift/art/skins/default.zip
Mounting skin: /planeshift/art/skins/base/client_base.zip
Skipping \'radiooff\' because it\'s already loaded
Skipping \'radioon\' because it\'s already loaded
  psEngine initialized.

crystalspace.font.freefont2:
  Could not open fontfile /fonts/ttf/DejaVuSans.ttf!
_____________________________________________
Console log when attempting to run \"pssetup\":

===== Wed Sep 21 2005 ===== 07:39:29 US/Eastern =====
Crystal Space for MacOS/X 0.99 r0 [MacOS/X-powerpc-GCC]
Ported to MacOS/X by Eric Sunshine

WARNING: could not load plugin \'crystalspace.font.server.default\'
WARNING: could not load plugin \'crystalspace.sound.render.software\'
WARNING: could not load plugin \'crystalspace.sound.loader.wav\'
WARNING: could not load plugin \'crystalspace.sound.loader.ogg\'
WARNING: could not load plugin \'crystalspace.sound.loader.multiplexer\'
WARNING: could not load plugin \'crystalspace.utilities.reporter\'
WARNING: could not load plugin \'crystalspace.utilities.stdrep\'
NOTIFY: MacOS/X 2D OpenGL driver for Crystal Space 0.99 r0
Written by Matt Reda
NOTIFY: OpenGL renderer: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX OpenGL Engine (vendor: NVIDIA Corporation) version 1.1 NVIDIA-1.3.42
NOTIFY: Using windowed mode at resolution 600x400.
NOTIFY: Pixel format: Color: 0 Alpha: 0 Depth: 0 Stencil: 0 AccumColor: 0 AccumAlpha: 0 MultiSamples: 0
WARNING! Crystal Space performs better in 24 or 32 bit display mode!
WARNING: could not load plugin \'crystalspace.renderloop.step.generic.type\'
Failed to load plugin crystalspace.renderloop.step.generic.type; pandemonium will ensue.
Skipping \'YesNo\' because it\'s already loaded
NOTIFY: Application initialized successfully.
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Console log when attempting to run \"updater\" (ps updater not ChaOs\' java. Java updater works fine):

===== Wed Sep 21 2005 ===== 07:41:41 US/Eastern =====
Crystal Space for MacOS/X 0.99 r0 [MacOS/X-powerpc-GCC]
Ported to MacOS/X by Eric Sunshine

NOTIFY: MacOS/X 2D OpenGL driver for Crystal Space 0.99 r0
Written by Matt Reda
NOTIFY: OpenGL renderer: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX OpenGL Engine (vendor: NVIDIA Corporation) version 1.1 NVIDIA-1.3.42
NOTIFY: Using windowed mode at resolution 640x480.
NOTIFY: Pixel format: Color: 0 Alpha: 0 Depth: 0 Stencil: 0 AccumColor: 0 AccumAlpha: 0 MultiSamples: 0
WARNING! Crystal Space performs better in 24 or 32 bit display mode!
WARNING: could not load plugin \'crystalspace.renderloop.step.generic.type\'
Failed to load plugin crystalspace.renderloop.step.generic.type; pandemonium will ensue.
Warning, can\'t find paths for win or mac or linux updater application! (Server only)
Critical files () not found (Server only)
Mounting skin: /planeshift/art/apps.zip
Skipping \'YesNo\' because it\'s already loaded
NOTIFY: psUpdaterEngine initialized.
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I have not yet been able to run PS since the version 011 update and wipe.

[wain]

One thing I might suggest would be worth adding to the user specs: what level of privileges the user has on their computer. Most will be admin level, but occasionally you may find someone with a secondary, limited account.

I know from debugging Firefox issues in the past, that certain errors will arise only when someone has lower privs, and it can take ages before anyone realizes that that\'s the reason why. While I\'m not a Mac developer, and don\'t know for certain, I suspect that Planeshift could be even more prone to this, since it currently stores prefs in the Applications folder, rather than the user\'s Library. Worth keeping track of, anyway.

[hramrach]

PS keeps prefs in the folder where you installed it.

So if you did install it you should be able to change the prefs.

And I guess that OS X allows running GL applications to non-priviledged users. But who knows ..

[Cha0s]

Yes, at the moment, we assume only admins can play PS. I think it just won\'t work otherwise.

Now, other things to discuss:
Klyros flight
This is buggy in general and not Mac-specific that I know. For now, just don\'t /fly

Crashing/Issues with Dialog boxes
Anyone with an nVIDIA graphics card and 10.3 will not be able to play the game (until dfryer and I fix it). Anyone with an nVIDIA graphics card and 10.4 will be able to play but with the crashes from opening almost any window (looting seems to be a big one). Everyone else should be fine. Thanks to everyone who posted specs for helping to confirm this!

[Arka]

Originally posted by stfrn

Edit:

Failed to load plugin crystalspace.renderloop.step.generic.type; pandemonium will ensue.

Do people get that? That could be major, I\'ll have to ask others later what that even means

Yes, this person gets this. Frequently. And, yes it seems major to me (as it means ps will crash and tie up my mac resources while everything sorts itself out)

Arka