Dueling Guild

[Valbrandr]

No need to respond to me.  But what you say is exactly what the majority (from what I have seen) are somewhat afraid of happening to Planeshift.  This game is for people who want to roleplay.  Now this doesnt neccessarily exclude anyone who have never really RPed as long as you want to learn or are trying.  Since I cannot talk for everyone, I dont want to see PS move away from what it wants.  With a world taken over by people who dont know/understand the community and what the community wants.  Many of us are here because this realm is so much different then some of the games like FFXI or WoW where RP seems extinct.  In this environment, with so few people, we can all be apart of a community.. we can all take part, learn from eachother, and overall just be apart of something special.  Now you dont sound like a bad person or anything and the last thing I want you to do is take this as a \"your not wanted here\".. but I believe you should rethink this entire idea and try to learn what PS is.  Which of course will take you sometime.. but then you will know whether you want to stay with us or not.

Edit:  and just because you are killing monsters or whatever does not mean that you are not RPing.. you can easily work that into your character.  

[Karyuu]

Originally posted by Noobis
Role playing...

its something you CAN do in PS not something you HAVE to do.

Where have you been? :) Roleplay is an absolute requirement of PlaneShift, and has been for as long as PlaneShift has been in development. If this is truly news to you, you may need to reevaluate your decision to be here, or straighten out your priorities.

Sorry, Noobis. Just the way things are. This isn\'t just like every other game.

[SuburbanPlankton]

Noobis, you are 100% correct.  You can do whatever you want while playing PS.

But if you choose to act in a manner which is considered improper by the majority of the community, then you must accept the consequences of your actions.  In the real world, I can ignore all traffic laws; but if I choose to do so I risk the wrath of the California Highway Patrol.  Here, if you choose not to RP, you find yourself involved in situations like this one.  

It is your choice: to stay and do your best to RP with the rest of the community, or to stay and play by your ow rules, or to go elsewhere.  No one can force you to take a particular course of action, but your choice affects how others will view you, and what course your interactions with them will take.

[Noobis]

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[Karyuu]

Alright. One question. What is the name of your guild?

[Noobis]

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[Cha0s]

Make an in-character dueling guild then. You see, there are two types of dueling. There is the OOC game-mechanic duel, and the friendly (or sometimes not-so-friendly) competition between two people to see who is more talented. If you make your guild about the latter and write up a history and background as such, you\'ll be fine. If you just say, \"Yea, come join my guild and duel,\" you won\'t be.

What\'s the difference? Well, the former is within a role-playing context while the latter is not. That\'s the thing you don\'t understand I think... You must role-play in the game all the time. As has been mentioned, this doesn\'t mean you have to sit around doing nothing. But when you do something in the game, it has to be in-character. If you can\'t cope with that, then please, make everyone\'s life (including your own) easier and find another game.

[Noobis]

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[Cha0s]

You don\'t get it, do you? Everything is role-play. The only exceptions are necessary OOC things to keep order and sanity (such as GMs and naming rules). Everything else is role-play:
When you go out and kill monsters, you should be doing it in-character, something the person you are playing would do.
When you chat in the tavern over an ale, your character should be the one speaking, not you.
When you duel and form a dueling guild, it has to be something your character would do, and your character has to have reasons, motivations, and other ideas about the guild. Noobis is not founding a guild. Noobis\'s character is founding it. Why?

[Karyuu]

Maybe I can offer a helpful link with a more lengthy explanation of roleplay in general? :)

A Guide to Role-Playing

The thing is Noobis, this game is based on roleplay, so if you do something in-game with your character that falls outside of it as much as this, there will be conflicts. To avoid such conflicts, just try to think as your character in Yliakum instead of as the human being behind the computer screen. If this is something you do not want to do, then I am sorry, but you are going to have a very hard time in PlaneShift.

But there are people who just want to kill monsters and duel but can\'t find them because they have to hide in the shadows of the RP Preachers.

No. See, you can\'t find them, because they don\'t belong here if they want to kill monsters or duel with no In-Character reason... :)

[ramlambmoo]

I honestly dont think there\'s anything inherently wrong with a Dueling guild- From Karyuu\'s Definition

guild [also gild] (n.)

1. An association of persons of the same trade or pursuits, formed to protect mutual interests and maintain standards.
2. A similar association, as of merchants or artisans, in medieval times.  

Their Guild would be an association of people with the same pursuit: Dueling.  They have formed to protect the mutal interests, such that they can all duel in an organised and friendly way, and maintain common rules and standards for dueling.  They All have a common association.

However, the problem here is the way he\'s presented it:  You dont have to Roleplay in Planeshift, But if you\'re going to make a guild then its expected that you at least acknowledge and work around it, as such, instead of just trying to go out there and say \"Roleplaying is stupid\".  Guilds need History, Ranks, Guildlines, etc- Things which require some thought beforehand, something sadly lacking in this case.  Nobody expects you to roleplay in Game, but your guild must be presented in a way such that it does not disturb the roleplaying environment for those who choose to.

[Cha0s]

Originally posted by ramlambmoo
Nobody expects you to roleplay in Game...

I beg to differ. I would hope that every single person acts as if he or she was his/her character while playing the game. I don\'t expect everyone to sit around and chat all day, doing nothing; that would be out of character for most of them. However, I do expect people to create some frame of character and stick to that frame. The creation of the guild should fall within this frame and be supported by it as well.

EDIT: clarified

[Karyuu]

Originally posted by ramlambmoo
Their Guild would be an association of people with the same pursuit: Dueling.  They have formed to protect the mutal interests, such that they can all duel in an organised and friendly way, and maintain common rules and standards for dueling.

That is actually an excellent perspective - organized dueling. The guild could act as a sort of model for aspiring champions, sharing techniques, setting up tournaments, promoting fair play, etc. Like a Fencing Association, but... not only fencing ;)

Again, there is most definitely potential. It just needs to be carved out.

[Noobis]

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[Karyuu]

Raagh.

We train for fighting the Demons of PS [...]

What are the Demons of PS? What is PS?

We train and practice in the best stratigies and skills. Including:

Best shortcut set up
Best Button set up
Best mouse set up

And what is that? You have improved some of the issue, but definitely not all. If anything, you may have tangled it further. Try to keep OOC references and IC reality as separate as you can.