Thanks to the comments and to Gentar for actually suggesting something... i seem to always start with a pic in mind...then get fustrated that it looks horried then try again...eventually the perspective i wanted is crappend down to like you said a cardboard stage...although it has its own oddness about it

on an odd OT comment: Lolitra, Celorrim Purrty Twins, Are you roleplaying 2 different people or one person with split personallitys? either way it seems kinda cool