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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2005, 06:59:36 am »
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you must remember that Yliakum is not earth, and certain races have by far surpassed the technological advancement of others, in strange and fantastic ways.


I thought Yliakum was an underground city of earth...I don\'t think Humans can live on another planet :|


I certainly hope that wasn\'t serious o_O
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2005, 09:36:24 am »
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Magic and Technology in Planeshift go hand-in-hand. The inhabitants of the world are capable of constructing incredible buildings and structures, such that will make you truely \"wow\" when you see them. :)


Moogie, you are a terrible tease.

You are right. A better tease is:
in the update first you will go
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and then you will go
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followed by of course
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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2005, 02:09:28 pm »
Noobis:
1.) You are simplifing things too much without actual knowledge how they really work. There is so much holes in what you wrote that correcting have no sense, because one will fall in another hole hidden in the previous. You maybe are imaginative, but the way how you want to implement it, has no sense at all.
\"Electricty, Earth, Wind, Fire, Water, Light, Dark \"?! It is one of the hundreds of ways of writing down new yet the same powers from the original pattern Earth, Air, Fire, Water
2.) You are creating things which aren\'t official, aren\'t based on ps setting, thus nothing to do with Planeshift.

Steuben:
I would like to answer again, but i don\'t see a point. Quoting me, you have took very short parts of my post and commented on these like they was all what i meant. These fragments don\'t tell much about my whole point of viev and additionally give wrong feeling of what I meant. Additionally every my post consists some informations which are integral and another postsometimes only mentions about what was better explained in the previous.
What with the rest of my post? Simply ignored with no reason? You agree with it?
I have asked questions which you didn\'t answered.
I can\'t discuss if I\'m not listened and ignored.
I don\'t intend to offend you, only that i don\'t see point in contributing new bits under the above conditions.



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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2005, 10:45:52 pm »
Noobis:
If we\'re basing this off of historical concepts of elements, there would be no element of \'Electricity.\'  The concept of electricity is far removed from the initial four original element concepts.
Aside from that, natural electricity is the product of atmospheric vs ground ionization resulting from friction.

Not to mention, electricity as a magic concept would have to be integrated into one of the existing six ways and could easily be overpowering, requiring additional \"nerfing\" on the part of the Devs.


As for small steam engines, this is a period (setting) related issue addressed previously.
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It should be noted that in order to maintain the midieval-fantasy setting, mass-production of anything cannot occur. Technology, even if combined with magic, cannot be allowed to pass the threshold into the industrial revolution; this will either happen by player action, or more likely, engine limiting.
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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2005, 10:58:44 am »
Well actually historically... some believed it was Metal, wood, water, fire, air. Not Earth, water, Fire, air. Of course you can just go about saying you cannot have fire without air and wood... So it would make fire a combination of Air and Earth. Making Earth, Air, and Water the only three elements. Eletricity, is a combination of Earth, Air, and Water. Stones creating a spark and air feeding the flame as well as with wood. The water is poured into the flame to create steam, the steam rises from the air to create a cloud, the air combining with the water forcing the clouds together. And so on and so forth....
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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2005, 03:05:40 pm »
I feel this is degrading into an elemental discussion ... thing is elements are just symbols, there exist tons of different versions and none is more right than any other. It just depends on what it means to you. Personally I only see Earth, Air, Water and Fire as elements ... representing the 4 molecular states solid, gas, liquid and plasma. Electricity is transport of energy, not a stable energetic state.

As for the technology, I just don\'t think electricity fits since if that was discovered we would have lightbulbs, powerlines, batteries, ... All that shouldn\'t be existant in PS so for all I see nobody found out about moving electrons yet aside from natural phenomena.
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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2005, 11:45:03 pm »
Actually technology is based on material and creativity. Alot of things were made on accident. But not exactly accident more of a You-know-this-will-do-something-but-your-not-sure-exactly-what kind of accidents. So in order to have really anything, we would need people who care more about creating then destroying. We would need more thinkers then body builders. In PS nearly everyone is a body builder, and only into creating the best fighter. OR into creating the strongest team of fighters. Buy applying what we have with what we can do then comes in technology and how much we will have.

As for elements, to create life you need Electricity. All life forms, need one energy spark first to live, then they consume food for more enery. Unless they are like the Undead Skeleton, which is a puppet of magic and mana. Skeletons live from consuming the mana around them to create energy. They use the mana to build a magical body of muscles, tendons, and sometimes, if created by the master, a brain.

So to have technology, we need to know what everything in PS can do on its own. Such as, is trepor blood acidic? Is ulbernaut blood oil based? Do any creatures other then humans, have all the human glands?  Can you burn anything of these new creatures?
Things like that need to be answered to find out what technology we can have. We will need oil to make proper machines. We need acids and bases. We need many many things to even know what technology we can make.

Or you can go the totally unrealistic route and just say we brought it down from the world above and they have what ever technology we have. Then again, what technology do they have? What year is it up there? Also if there are so many cultures in this one place traveling from many different areas, then we should have a super advanced technology system, depending on the year. If these creatures have been gathering for 500 years then we should already have cars or more or close to that.

Theres so many unanswered things that would make it impossible to tell tech until most are answered.

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« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2005, 03:30:10 am »
The problem is, this strays from the setting.

Electricity as a form of transfering, storing, and using energy did not occur in the medieval age or under the Romans.
Large portable machinery, electrically powered machinery, or small-scale advanced machinery (even if it is only as advanced as a steam-engine,) would change the entire realm of PS into a different genre.  (I for one would love a free sci-fi mmorpg I could run on linux.  But \"It\'s not Planeshift.\")  Technology throughout the medieval age was based on large-scale extrapolations of simple machines.  And when I say simple, I mean levers, pulleys, wheels, and the like.

Because PS is open source, one is certainly welcome to create a \'new\' game based on this premise.  Undoubtedly at some later stage of development another group will decide to use this code to branch out this market into another genre.
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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2005, 07:20:35 am »
Why is there a Crystal way and a Dark way, instead of light and dark or something like Crystal and Rot or Dead or something along those lines.

But with even levels, pulleys, wheels, cogs, ropes, and hydrolics. I could create a machine that would do some awesome things.

But if Crystal is just another word for light? Then why cant we use light energy? I mean for the most part, its just a game. But when you want to get more into creating a world and not just a game, then you have to look at the mechanics of everything. You can\'t just say, we don\'t have this because I said so.. there has to be a legitimate reason. Like in Medival era, Churches ruled over mostly everything, banning alot of tech as evil. Also, electricity isnt the only source of power, it just makes a more interesting field. We can create fire from nothing, so what stops use from creating a flame that burns as bright as a modern day lightbulb.

To me eletricity is useless in somethings when you can use other sources of power. Electricity as a source of power in PS would be pointless when we have magic that can run mostly everything 100 fold better. Its just Electricity can make for amusment with light shows. Its mostly a display thing when your in a game. Electricity is also a powerful weapon.

But as for tech, you have to look at the grand scale. Medival tech cannot work because PS isn\'t Medival. But you can make things that are Medival looking. Even create areas that seem strange and futuristic. But saying PS is Medival wouldn\'t work. But it is semi-medival in a gaming experiance, other then the fact, its underground, and races come from different worlds, where in one world they can be using laser cannons.

Also, their can be a story about the banishment of tech by Talad or some other god. Anyone who trys to create such items is instantly killed, and there work destroyed from a mystical force of the gods.