hold your fire and take care of your behaviour!

[fken]

for french speaking people, the french thread is the following : http://www.zelphira.com/planeshift/frphpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1384

To sum up:

Some newbies came to ps and play near harnquist trying to speak english... Then they realized they were french and start to speak french (in say chan).

Then people said french was forbidden in the game (at least in the say chan... and it\'s absolutly wrong as long as it\'s not in a general chan like auction or shout ones...).

The oldest french player (but still new in our fantastic world) answered (politely of course) that they were newbies and didnt known this rules...

Then people insult France and frenchi people saying a nuke attack against France would be a great idea, and to sum up: trying to create troubles...

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I am a moderator on the french planeshift community forum and I am wondering what I should do in this case... What should i answer to this player, how should i feel when i learn that there is already racism in a pre alpha game...

I finally choose to report that fact hoping our international community will accuse that kind of behaviours and will react against every form of racism and nationalism !

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another report from this thread : a gm (i have no name to quote) said say channel is for english only... I am sure there is a good reason this gm could gimme to explain why he re-invents the rules WITHOUT reading them or without reading the forum... This subject has been related a lot of time and GM still dunno the rules... it\'s a shame.

@Gholmyrr: your presence could be very useful on the french forum.

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if you dont want to open the subject another time, you could close the thread Moogie: I am not looking for non official answers.

[acraig]

It goes without saying that we don\'t condone any of these sorts of statments.  While it\'s true our NPC\'s only understand English how players talk to each other should be of no concern.  If any of the GM\'s see this behaviour please do not tolerate it and make sure people know that it will not be tolerated.

The fact that we are free and anybody can download it we can attract some pretty imature people. I am hoping that those type of people will be invovled with things like guilds/groups and eventually move on to other games when they realize their antics arn\'t gaining the attention they so desire...

[Seytra]

So non-english is allowed in /say now?  That is pretty bad. Obviously the statements referred to aren\'t acceptable, but still there is nothing \"wrong\" about having not only /auction and /shout in english only but also /say.

[LigH]

I would like to propose:

There is a \"Group\" function. When I know that all the players I usually talk to, speak the same non-english language, we agree to create a group where we freely can speak our language, to make sure that other players are not confused by our talk they don\'t understand.

But in a public place, where many people meet, and you cannot know which native language each player has, you should at least try to speak english because this is the most often used language in computer topics.

No one needs to be ashamed of low knowledge, most players I know try to help from vocabulary (and meaning) over grammar to spelling.
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Probably loosely related: There has been a thread about creating a brazilian-only guild... A bit beyond the \"Group\" idea, obviously not that useful.
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P.S.: Speaking about \"nuking a country\" only because you don\'t understand foreign talk is not tolerable - I can only agree. I just hope that newcomers are able to be tolerant and cooperative, as we will try to be. But specific members are stubborn, we can\'t avoid that completely. We could only ignore them before we get mad about it.

[zanzibar]

Planeshift is coded for english, but I see no rational reason why other languages should be disallowed in the public chat.  There have been occasions where I\'ve helped out francophone players and I didn\'t think twice about it.  Maybe I\'m so open minded because I\'m Canadian, but I\'m to agree with acraig that the people who were rude were completely out of line.

[Draklar]

Yes, multiple languages is just fine. Because it is so much role-play friendly to see four different characters, of different races, of different cultures, of different parts of Yliakum to meet in one place and talk in same uncommon language without any problems. While the same won\'t work for some other two characters that were raised up together. Basically we were gifted by the gods with some random languages in the moment we were born.
Sarcasm is fun.

Oh, and people shouldn\'t use words \"racism\" and \"nationalism\" when they don\'t know what those mean. That\'s helluva annoying.

[Cyl]

I myself don\'t mind people speaking other langauages in /say channel, but Planeshift is coded for english, and the majority of the community is english, so it at least is a sign of courtesy to speak english in public channels.

You can do whatever you want in group/guild channel or via tell anyways.

[ramlambmoo]

So non-english is allowed in /say now? That is pretty bad. Obviously the statements referred to aren\'t acceptable, but still there is nothing \"wrong\" about having not only /auction and /shout in english only but also /say.

I think people just be free to /say in whatever language they want if Its a group of people standing around.  The reason is they are\'nt forcing people to come up to them and start talking to them, are they.  Plus, /tell and /guild are a bit OOC, since they are global.  Then again, perhaps thats the point?

I myself don\'t mind people speaking other langauages in /say channel, but Planeshift is coded for english, and the majority of the community is english, so it at least is a sign of courtesy to speak english in public channels.

Yes, it is made for english, and the majority of the community are english, but these are things that work against them.  The fact that everythings english Is a problem for them, not us, So im of the opinion if they still want to do it, well go ahead.  Perhaps I draw the line at /shout and /auction, but If they\'re standing around in a group of people who all know french.... meh.

[Draklar]

I think you are mistaking terms \"role-playing game\" with \"chat program\", Ram.

[LigH]

To make my previous statement clearer:

If you are in a crowd and want to be understood, try english first.

If you are a group near a crowd and try not to distract/disturb others, try english.

But if you are unlikely to confuse too many passengers, be free to speak as you like.

Just crowded places (like the front of the forge, or the full tavern), may be places where you should consider that many different languages may not help to understand each others. Part of the role-playing fun is that others may invade into your talk, suddenly take part of the ongoing plot. Talking in a rather uncommon language is like keeping others out of your own game.

I caught myself considering those people selfish when they talk e.g. in french or other languages while running through a circle being in a roleplay discussion - I won\'t speak for others, but that does spoil my fun. I wouldn\'t like it if people make their own \"subculture\" just by refusing to talk in a way that everyone might understand them, this reminds me painfully on \"islamism vs. islam\". -- Sure, I can see the potential: What a structured population! But IMHO, disadvantages seem to prevail for my PoV.


And running through a circle of people, or breaking in with \"already answered in the Player Guide\" kind of questions, is another point of \"unexperienced behaviour\"... :rolleyes:

[Zan]

I personally would prefer it if english was the only publically spoken language in PS. Even though I understand Dutch, French, German and English very decently and can express myself well enough in those languages as well I find that a multilingual gaming environment works disruptive.

Here it is just talks about French but when people start speaking French publically other languages will follow. There will be groups speaking German, Dutch, Spanish, Italian, ... People with the same native tongue are going to start grouping together, you\'ll get more incidents like the one that started this ... ethnic groups going up against eachother. People can easily exclude others by simply refusing to talk a language the others can understand. I\'ve seen this and many more things take place on, mostly European, servers in several other games. Personally I always run to the American servers even though I am European simply because of the unified language front.

English as one main language doesn\'t exclude anyone that wouldn\'t be excluded from obtaining the game in the first place. It gives everyone a certain anonymity towards their cultural backgrounds and thus prevents incidents to a degree. It doesn\'t require people needing to switch back and forth between languages and is just easier for everyone.
In short one language creates one big community and it makes roleplaying much easier and more fun in my opinion.

This is all about forms of public chat, where any person can listen in on the conversation. Of course in private chat forms you could talk any language you want as long as the select few you\'re talking with agree.

[Drey]

i would normally be asking people to use english for public chat (ive just always thought it was a rule or at least a standard sort of agreement) and asking them to to either use /tell or form a group for other languages, though if its a french or spanish speaking person i will normally try to help them using public (in their language) so...

also many of the older players who dont speak english as theri native use private chat for their own languages unless there are any others around.

[colonel_vanderbal]

I personaly have no problem with people using other languages in PS i think it actually strengthens the rp enviroment, In the real world people use many languages so why not in PS, it is unrealistic to think all across yliakum would speak but one language.

If you where to stand in a bar in rl and a couple next to you where speaking in french you would not complain to them that you cannot understand, in rl everybody is free to speak there native language and enjoy there own culture so why should PS be any diffrent.

What im saying is in rl you will encounter people of varied languages that is the way life is people of diffrent cultures living together if you where to move to another country you would not expect otheres to treat you with disrespect for using your native toungue so PS sould be no diffrent.

Im all for multiple languges but thats just my opinion.

[Drey]

Originally posted by colonel_vanderbal
If you where to stand in a bar in rl and a couple next to you where speaking in french you would not complain to them that you cannot understand

seeing as its in a bar you would prolly have been drinking, its  quite likely that i would start trying to speak french at people...

[Bebel]

When i m in England i speak french in public place, and when speaking to a policeman or a merchant i do it in english ... and i would never shout something in french in public place

I do the same in PS

/say is as you wish but i\' d rather in english

The only thing that choc me is about the nuclear bomb ...
A well known iranien said the same thing about a country, remember ? All the world points his finger on him now

If you were Joking about this, i don t take a nuclear bomb as a joke, how mature are you to joke about that ?

I hope the concerned person will read this and know that /say wasn\'t the problem