Baddest of the Bad?

[buddha]

So who is it?  We have several guilds that claim to be evil.

Does anyone have any actual, in-game experience with an evil guild?  I mean, really. What is the most evil act anyone has ever seen, heard of, or committed in PS?

[zanzibar]

/me extends his hand in greeting.

[Draklar]

Is kicking groffels considered bad? If so the Dark Empire might take the title pretty soon :P

Seriously though, really evil guild won\'t take attention on themselves, but rather plan and plan and plan and attack when no one expects it, taking it all.

Guilds that show off with how evil they are, are more like shrimps and could be called stupid evil more than anything else. Their actions are no \"badder\" than those of guilds where members randomly attack other people.

So there\'s no real point in asking. If some guild is really evil and has at least a bit of thinking ability, their \"evilness\" won\'t be really known.

[ramlambmoo]

Is kicking groffels considered bad? If so the Dark Empire might take the title pretty soon

Seriously though, really evil guild won\'t take attention on themselves, but rather plan and plan and plan and attack when no one expects it, taking it all.

Guilds that show off with how evil they are, are more like shrimps and could be called stupid evil more than anything else. Their actions are no \"badder\" than those of guilds where members randomly attack other people.

So there\'s no real point in asking. If some guild is really evil and has at least a bit of thinking ability, their \"evilness\" won\'t be really known.

Wise, wise words.

What is the most evil act anyone has ever seen, heard of, or committed in PS?

In character or out of Character?  I could list alot, but it serves little purpose.

Though you could try speaking to to anyone who has fought am-heh, if you want some history.

[zanzibar]

I fought Amheh when I was but a noob.  Over and over and over again.  And then over again.  Killed me good he did.  Ah, to feel alive once more....

[Draklar]

Putting aside Am-Heh and his pathetic group (whatever it was called), which never did anything to really shake the world of Yliakum,
Causing Shadowhand (one of the more respected guilds) to disband was pretty bad. But then again I believe the one who did it was a member of Mirth... Quite an irony, really.

[Sangwa]

The Cabali were very active in their time and caused more mischief than I can recall any other guild did.

Anyway, they\'re dead now, so that means they weren\'t that bright.

OOC: We have three guilds that claim to be evil. From this guilds only two are established in-game. However we\'re all doing our things and I don\'t really think we can measure evilness.

[LigH]

Just a grammar question: I learned \"bad - worse - worst\"; but \"{more|most} evil\" shall hit the point instead, it seems to me.

[Cyl]

Hmmm, the disbanding of Shadowhand, ... Well heard a quite nice bit about why and how, ... didnt remember any names though.

[seperot]

ah the story of davis....a man with many faces....

to put it perspective first... Shadowhand was a guild for rogues and spy\'s only the leader and the head 2 members where known to be members in the guild all other members where hidden from the public eye and the members themselfs couldent tell others. ironically the guild at the time had been though a rough time with trust issues...mainly stemming from a dwarf named tranor who had joined shadowhand some time ago then after a while....forgot he was in the guild...then started his own guild. this caused an argument about a betraying member who dident inform them he was leaving and so on...

so then in shadowhand there is a member called shadowmancer there was also a guy in mirth called davis and there was also a guy in the cabal whos name began with a b but for the life of me i cant remember..... anyways it came out  that all them people was the same person...the leader of shadowhand had trusted shadowmancer so finding out that he was many people was the straw that broke the camels back...crashed the guild n so forth.... i\'ve always felt slightly guilty for it since i was the one who told errion the link between em :x

[buddha]

Hey Sep,

now THAT\'S the kind of evil I\'m interested in.  I know everyone wants to be mysterious about their \"evilness\", but the actual outlets in the game are fairly limited.  You can\'t assassinate, you can\'t steal, you can\'t strongarm, none of the classic mafioso techniques.  There aren\'t even any laws to break.  This limits it to political action which cause strife amongst other players.  However, I haven\'t seen must evidence of this happening.

But the idea of playing several characters and using that information against various guilds is cheating.  What sort of wickedness can you commit completely within the physics of the world?  I mean, calling yourself \"evil\" because you duel is kind of lame.  People have to agree to duel.

For that matter, what kind of heroism can you commit within the physics of this world?

Ligh:  Your English is correct.  The term \"baddest of the bad\" is colloquial.

[seperot]

Personally im on the notion that a real evil person dosent think there evil and most certainly dont go around telling everyone \"im evil!!!11\" a real evil player is one that lets his/her actions speak for them.

[buddha]

Sep, I completely agree with you on a general level.  However, I\'m interested to know how this is playing out in the game.  Can you really be evil in game?  Can you really be good?  That\'s why I asked for examples.

[seperot]

of course not the game is far too restricting to do anything like that. thats why the ps world has always had so many guilds even when the game was a glorified chat room. its all down to the politics and double backstabbing and all the rest that happens on the forums and by PM that what defines the player.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by seperot
Personally im on the notion that a real evil person dosent think there evil and most certainly dont go around telling everyone \"im evil!!!11\" a real evil player is one that lets his/her actions speak for them.

If a person willfully does evil and calls it evil, then he simply has a different definition of evil.

Perhaps he sees good and evil as mere social constructions, and there are greater truths and values in the world to define things by.  Power, order, truth, and happiness measure things in ways \"good and evil\" do not.

He might see an action as good which others see as evil, but he adopts the terminology of others for the sake of convenience.

He might see evil acts as useful in the pursuit of good.

He might be tormented, and thus does evil knowing it is evil because he is of two minds.

There are many possibilities.