I know this is a little late by a couple hours but....

[yayoo]

Originally posted by Xordan
umm... what\'s thanksgiving for anyway?? We kinda don\'t celebrate it in the UK... we have bonfire night instead this time of year Burning \'guys\' and letting off large amounts of gunpowder while eating burgers and hotdogs sounds much more fun.

We do that in Ireland aswell!

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by koolerking
An environmentalist shpeel. Fantastic. I won\'t say anything however, as I\'m still new and dis-respected. But if you intend to talk about the \'creator\' I suggest you pick up that scary book that\'s all about him, and speak from an educated point of view next time.

-King of the koolers

1.  There are many reasons to be vegetarian which have nothing to do with the environment.

2.  There are many traditions which have scripture about a creator or God or Gods, and those traditions do not all agree with eachother on key points.

3.  There are many interpretations of the Bible, some of which are very opposed to one another.

4.  I have in fact read more of the Bible than many Christians.

5.  You can say anything you want.  Post count is meaningless.  It\'s substance that counts.

Originally posted by Keyaz
we eat animals because we desire to, sometimes its just to survive, other times it\'s because of an aquired taste for their meat.

Imagine a turkey was actually a carnivore, and bigger then you, and hungry, like hell it\'s gonna stop to think about your feelings before it tears the flesh from your bones, it wants good eats : |

I really don\'t mind peoples points of views, what they think is right and wrong etcetera, thats fine for them, but as soon as they start pushing ito n other people, that is crossing the line for me.

anyways, celebrations to those celbrating o/

The interesting thing about being human is that we have the capacity to go beyond our nature.  What is natural is not necessarily moral or ethical.  What feels good is not necessarily moral or ethical.  Do people do what makes them happy?  Sure.  But that doesn\'t mean we\'re locked into that set of behaviours.

Originally posted by LigH
If I remember right, it was a really american festival, settlers thanking the natives for food in the autumn (saw that in a report about cranberries).

In Canada, it\'s to celebrate the last harvest before winter.  But we also have that myth of settlers and natives getting along so well, as opposed to the true history of that time period.

[Cha0s]

Right and wrong. For the most part, natives and settlers killed each other, a lot. However, in a few cases (the Pilgrim\'s arrival at Plymouth being one of them), the natives and the settlers got along quite well. Don\'t apply generalizations to everything.

[Draklar]

There was some native american hunting and then they attacked the settlers\' fortress and then something else happened and both native americans and settlers were eating turkey together. Man, are cartoons very educational, or what? \\o/


Heh, I never heard people being called carnivores and suddenly there\'s a whole myth about it? Wish i knew what zanz was reading :P
People are omnivores, sillypie. They were designed to eat both types of food.

[non]Interesting fact. Did you know omnivores are generally the smartest group of animals? Varied diet is good for your brain. So eating turkey is good. Being vegetarian makes you go around screaming nonsense and annoy people around you.
So let\'s scream \"yay\" for all those holidays when people eat meat :P
Granted they eat fruits too..

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Draklar
There was some native american hunting and then they attacked the settlers\' fortress and then something else happened and both native americans and settlers were eating turkey together. Man, are cartoons very educational, or what? \\o/


Heh, I never heard people being called carnivores and suddenly there\'s a whole myth about it? Wish i knew what zanz was reading
People are omnivores, sillypie. They were designed to eat both types of food.

[non]Interesting fact. Did you know omnivores are generally the smartest group of animals? Varied diet is good for your brain. So eating turkey is good. Being vegetarian makes you go around screaming nonsense and annoy people around you.
So let\'s scream \"yay\" for all those holidays when people eat meat
Granted they eat fruits too..

There are many different ways one can have an omniverous diet.

There are many different ways that the meat industry can behave.

Some ways are better than others.

[koolerking]

Well each to his own I suppose, and I\'m still not going to argue about it, as I\'m well aware no one here is going to relinquish their view of things. If only for the sake of pride and nothing else. I\'m also well aware that nothing I say is going to even produce a little questioning of views, after all, questions are scary things.

-King of the koolers

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by koolerking
Well each to his own I suppose, and I\'m still not going to argue about it, as I\'m well aware no one here is going to relinquish their view of things. If only for the sake of pride and nothing else. I\'m also well aware that nothing I say is going to even produce a little questioning of views, after all, questions are scary things.

-King of the koolers

Why is it so difficult to say that others might disagree with you for intelligent reasons?

[koolerking]

An unintentional implication. I was adressing... for lack of a better word... society as a whole, the post was not aimed at any individual. A bit of a subtle statement about society in there for myself. And I\'m not against all vegitarians, I just occasionally become annoyed at the reasons they give for being a vegitarian. Not saying anything against you. But seeing as you are most certainly are against the killing of animals, I have a question. What are your views on abortion?

-King of the koolers

[Draklar]

If I may interfere, my view on abortion is that it has nothing to do with this thread.

Now if you excuse me,



xD

[koolerking]

The thread was off-topic a while back but if the god of topics frowns upon it I won\'t press the issue.

[Karyuu]

Topics like abortion and vegetarianism and religion and (sometimes) politics tend to end very badly - i.e., with a lock - for the simple reason that you aren\'t likely to convince anyone of anything on the internet about such personal, strong subjects. So agree to disagree for now, and move on. Thanksgiving has ended.

[Induane]

True true Karyuu, that kind of discussion tends to end badly.  People grow up in one way or another influenced by what is going on around them.  if a person is raised to be a canibal, and practices it regularly and lives in a society where that is the best thing ever, that person will have views associated with that lifestyle.  Trying to change views on that will be nearly impossible as it is nearly hardwired into their brains.  Its the reason some people follow certain religions, or don\'t follow any religion.  People get so used to one world view that even evidence to the contrary can be rationalized away. easily because that is more comfortable to us.  I\'ve heard people say (I\'m only using this as an example as its the first thing that came to my head) : \"God put dinosaur bones on earth to test our faith.\"    That is an example of using no fact basis (biblically or scientifically) to rationalize something that conflicts with a particular world view.  Its not backed up by empirical evidence, nor is it backed up by the bible, but it doesn\'t fit into the world view of people who have grown up in an environment that was conducive to a very traditional interprutation of the bible.  That sort of thing happens in everyones mind in one form or another thus making certain topics that touch on the roots of where we derrive our world view and thus morals, extremely touch subjects, and impossible to argue in a logical fashion.  

But for my real most honest take on abortion that I can give you is that
1.) I am a man and not a woman.
2.) I am not a god or the God (whatever you believe in)
3.) I am falliable
4.) No matter what anyone believes I am not the one who gets the final judgement if there is one

So therefor I conclude that as a non god, male, falliable, human being, I am not qualified to make that judgement.  I do not possess the necessary information or expirences to qualify myself to have a real position on it. Internally I find that I couldn\'t justify it in almost all situations though there are exceptions... but that view is based on my world view from which I derrive my morals.  Its a subject  Ireally don\'t think any politician is qualified to make either (opinion here of course), so my opinion is that I can\'t legitimately have a position, and any male person who thinks that they are qualified to have a position on it is being really presumptious.  And really women too - abortion just has too much grey area - lets all understand everything about it more before anyone goes off arguing about it.... as I have said earlier - peoples view in this are pretty much set - no sense arging about it. whew - my speal for the night.


And happy thanksgiving to everyone - I really do love spending time here - and I wouldn\'t if this place wasn\'t so derned interesting all the time.  You all make this place enjoyable for me .

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by koolerking
An unintentional implication. I was adressing... for lack of a better word... society as a whole, the post was not aimed at any individual. A bit of a subtle statement about society in there for myself. And I\'m not against all vegitarians, I just occasionally become annoyed at the reasons they give for being a vegitarian. Not saying anything against you. But seeing as you are most certainly are against the killing of animals, I have a question. What are your views on abortion?

-King of the koolers

Weak.  Freaking weak.  First, you accuse me of hanging on to my ideas out of pride.  Then when I confront you, you say, \"oh, sorry, I meant society - you\'re just one individual\".  And THEN you try to change the subject by bringing up abortion, which has nothing to do with this.  Weak weak weak.

[Kixie]

Originally posted by Draklar
If I may interfere, my view on abortion is that it has nothing to do with this thread.

Now if you excuse me,

xD

Lmao, that picture says \"ape tit\".

Yeah.  

Happy 2nd day after Thanksgiving everyone! I hope your stomachs are finally feeling better.

[zanzibar]

2nd day after 2nd Thanksgiving.