Annoying realm

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Nero da 2nd
Wouldn\'t it be nice to log onto planeshift and say \"time to whoop some ass in the plaza today!\" Or say \"man i can\'t wait to get out here and duel some people!\"

Originally posted by Nero da 2nd
If planeshift isn\'t about who\'s stronger or not...why is there dueling?

Those two were the funniest parts of this thread xD

Seriously though, as others said. This game isn\'t what you\'re looking for. What you expect from it is something completely different from what it is intended to be.

[Dregan Tepis]

First Nero, I do disagree with you. The DR should be a long trip back. First to discourage ridicules amounts of PKing, and to punish you for bad mistakes. But it will also AFAIK also be expanded to make for more \"dead\" experiences. From what I know, there will be quests and other things to do down there in the future.

Also I would like too discourage you from the multiple account / characters thing. It\'s just bad form. Once you get a little more experience, one or two character you have invested some time in will be much more rewarding.

But mostly I would like to say that, contrary to the beliefs of some of the people in this forum, you are welcome here. Please accept my apology for some of the comments and accusations in this thread. If you spend much time here, you will notice the attitudes of some of the longer-term players. Please excuse them; they started out being left on the low end of other games where RP was set on the back burner, and came to this game because of that. But some have become over-zealous with that, and are highly territorial of this game. Some to the point of insults and what appears to be the \"legalized flaming\" in these threads to drive away people that are not \"their kind\".

Please keep in mind that this does not excuse behavior in this game that ruins the atmosphere for others. Please try to create a personality for your characters, stay in character when in the game, and do take advantage of doing more in this game than just leveling / PKing. And when you are comfortable and want to learn more about why some of these people are so passionate about the RP quality of this game, please ask.

[Draklar]

Yes, I\'d like to apologise for my comment as well. Of course you should play this game. It doesn\'t really matter that it\'s intended for other type of gaming and some features that will be implemented with time will bring your annoyment and generally discourage type of gaming that you are here for (just like the feature that made you create this thread - yes, there will be more of those). Some would say it is a natural behaviour to point people to games they would enjoy more and warn them from games that they simply won\'t like, but not us nu-huh. Stay here hoping that this game will become more of your linking, whilst most likely it will be quite contrary. I\'d like to apologise for my friends here too. It\'s not like by being here for a longer time we know the general aims of this project, as well as particular devs. Surely the case why most of the \'oldbies\' around here are all for role-playing and not for slashing the hell out of everything that moves, can\'t be because the latter group of people simply gets bored and leaves rather quickly. So as you see there\'s no possibility that you\'ll be wasting your time here. Have fun playing Planeshift and not some other, more complete game which would give you more possibilities within the pvp spectrum.

Now if you excuse me, I shall go to role-play tavern tea party in Counter-Strike.

[DaveG]

Ya know... I used to be very active in this part of the forum... and this sort of thread is why I\'m not anymore...

[SIZE=10]DEATH IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE TRIVIAL![/SIZE]

In the future, more penalties may be added.  We don\'t want people doing stupid crap just because there are no consequences.

Here\'s a tip:  In the past, I and others have had little duel events.  We just held them inside the Death Realm.  That way we could die, not have to walk far, and we would be out of the way of everyone else.  (and, if we wanted to heal, we\'d just jump off a cliff )

[nattuo]

the one thing i think they should do is make it harder to die from falling or if not add some depth perception i don\'t want to whine but i often think a gap in this game is much smaller than it really is anhd seeing as depth perception is... difficult in a game(speaking as a programmer) then making it harder to die from falling would be a good choice. eg. in the town you respawn in the edge infront of you if you walk off it takes off about half your health(i onbly started recently so i don\'t know if that chages or not) how about making it only take off 1/3 of your health.

[Moogie]

We\'re aware of the poorly balanced fall damage and other aspects of the game that require a hell of a lot of tweaking before they will be right or \'fair\'. Right now, yes, it\'s too easy to die, and the penalty is currently too topheavy in comparison. This is not how the game will stay.

[Suno_Regin]

Well, fall damage should also be related to your character\'s race. I mean, I\'m an Enkidukai, I would be able to survive heights and land on my feet. Instead, Mitaki runs down a staircase, dies, and \"So ends the legend of Mitaki Shinito, the idiot who died falling down a staircase.

Here\'s a list of races I think should have reduced/no fall damage.

Enkidukai (agile)
Kran (durable)
Klyros (can soar down to the ground with wings)

The rest, would have normal damage.

[nattuo]

i think klyros should be able to all out fly for a brief period of time keep hitting the jump button while in air takes three times as much stamina as normal jump hold jump to glide takes twice as much stamina as running, how about that? i think all races should have \"gifts\" my klyros example the rock dudes should be resistant to stabbing and slashing weapons etc.

[Suno_Regin]

Already being worked on, but it won\'t be for weapons.

Try reading the main page sometime

[miadon]

back on topic, it is a pain (especially being an Enki at the moment) but it is supposed to be a penalty (in a roleplay sence) I still think the only way to keep everyone happy is to have dangerous and lawless regions where there is open PVP   (dence forest or dangerous desert). But the game is mroe about ROLEplay than hack hack your dead.

[Ecolem]

Jeez you guys are all the biggest bullies ever  

Going back to Nero da 2nd first post, your point is valid but its already been said numerous times before. The DR will become a new world were people can buy stuff, kill stuff and RP as well.

As Nero said he likes this game...lol i don\'t get why you were all telling him to leave.

[Keyaz]

the mindless-not-searching-before-posting-nor-thinking-about-what-he\'s-talking-about-posts might have something to do with it Ecolem,

DaveG\'s post made me grin, the suitably sized part that is

other then that not much needs to be said, I never have problems with fall damage, the death realm or any other part of the tech demo

maybe I\'m just better at playing it xP

nah I\'m joking, some people are just unfortunate, some need more patience

[Karyuu]

Originally posted by Ecolem
As Nero said he likes this game...lol i don\'t get why you were all telling him to leave.

You should\'ve read some of his other threads, Ecolem ;)

[Ecolem]

maybe its my lack of patience that doesn\'t allow me to read ALL the posts but i TRY to look at things the positive side...people say i\'m too nice..now i can see it  

[Seytra]

Ummm, Ecolm...? Valid point?

Originally posted by Nero da 2nd
Wouldn\'t it be nice to log onto planeshift and say \"time to whoop some ass in the plaza today!\" Or say \"man i can\'t wait to get out here and duel some people!\"

The very only thing I can say to this point is \"Actually, not at all. In fact, it would stink.\". It\'d be one of the worst parodies of PS ever.
You might consider an FPS for that, where such thinking is appropriate.

Originally posted by Nero da 2nd
 Well, you could, but what about the death realm? That annoying, underlighted, waste of time.

To those who would like to pervert PS into an PvP arena, yes. Which is why it\'s there.

Originally posted by Nero da 2nd
 I mean, i have better things to do then get glitched at the bottom of a hole!

On several threads the OP has described what those things are, and being stuck in a glitch at the bottom of the DR is infinitely more agreeable, acceptable, less disturbing to RP and the atmosphere than any of his ideas. When I say \"any\" I really mean \"one\", because his only idea is \"OMFGlolololIkillj000evenifIloseeverytimeit\'ssomehowincrediblyfunnylolololIdon\'tcarewhateveryonethinkssodowhatIsay!1!!11!!1\"

Originally posted by Nero da 2nd
 Mabye you wanna go out there and fight a monster, see if you can kill it for pride and honor and definantly, money, or your body parts strewn across the floor so help me!

Maybe you want to do that, but just as IRL, the stupidity of attacking an unknown opponent should result in death, and you can be incredibly happy that death isn\'t permanent in PS.

Originally posted by Nero da 2nd
 But then there\'s the death realm...

 True, it shows penalties of death when you go to the death realm, there\'s always a penalty, but seriously...some people can\'t find their way out!

 Don\'t get me wrong; I have made my way out a few times, and all the other hundred million times i\'ve tried...i died from falling off a curb.

 Now i bet you\'re thinking, \"well noobing accept the penalties!\" But this a very odd penalty if you ask me. I really think the death realm wasn\'t the brightest idea.

 But what if you like the death realm? The temple near the plaza, the big red one (sorry i don\'t know many  names of places yet) has a big old pit in it, this could be the \"portal\" into the death realm.

 But what would be the purpose hmm...

 Mabye new monsters and secret areas, weapons and tools could be found in the realm of the dead, i think the death realm has much more potential than a stupid maze where accounts are usualy ended.

Your accounts are ended there, because you insist, for whatever reasons, on abusing PS. It\'s you who must change, not PS and surely not the DR.
But in one tiny part you are even right: the DR will eventually become a place to dwell like the other parts of PS. However, this hasn\'t only been suggested already, it\'s even planned.

Originally posted by Nero da 2nd
 But then, no one would be afraid to die, and where would you appear when you died?

 First off, if you die, you\'d end up at the plaza.

Absolutely not. :tdown: Not a tiny chance at all. That was how it was before, and we had exactly what you want: continous, purposeless duelling in the plaza. Now with the bigger DR and different spawn points, this has finally vanished.

Originally posted by Nero da 2nd
 Second off, when you die you chose two items from your inventory to be left behind, you MUST choose in 5 minutets, or it will choose your two most valuable items and ditch it. (best i could think of)

This is absolutely ridiculous, as has been stated already.  Even with the most valuable items people like you who just duel and duel and duel without ever achieving anything, not even PLing (not that that would be worth anything) wouldn\'t lose anything. I am highly inclined to think that this is exactly what you are trying: to water down the system so that people like you can get away unpunished.

Originally posted by Nero da 2nd
 I really think that annoying realm isn\'t a good idea for a death penalty, plus some peoples 3d cards aren\'t so good (like me) and they can barely make the ramps out from the darkness below. And numerous times, people fall to the bottom and can\'t get their way out.

The darkness has nothing to do with your video card. :rolleyes:
I think the DR is very appropriate, and the penality it poses is really minor. Seriously, once you know the way, you are back out in under 5 minutes even with the current bugs in the movement system!

Originally posted by Nero da 2nd
I really think you need to read things before you think you can just decide its a bad post just because of a misunderstanding first post he made.

As you can see, I have read and commented on the OP, and I was quite right in saying that doing so would not be necessary in order to know that it is useless.
The DR\'s mildness is appropriate for the game\'s buggyness that makes you end up there a lot more often than you should, but when the bugs are fixed, the DR should be made so that it takes at least 1 RL hour to get back out, even if you know exactly how.

So far for the \"validity\" of the OP.
Let\'s see some of the examples Karyuu was talking about:
Let\'s start here:
Name: Nero da 2nd.
Then look down... sig:  Don\'t fear me...*pulls out gun* fear this...
But that\'d be not really bad were it not for the \"content\" of his posts. Just look at this thread:
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=20681&boardid=13

Sadly for this exercise, but incredibly lucky for the OP, his other posts that exemplify more of his mindset have been deleted. But there are some hints left, like this:

Originally posted by Nero da 2nd
 Dude...i like this game, why should i listen to you guys?

Not touching the subject of AOLspeak, while the bolded phrase could technically be viewed as aimed only at those who told him to leave, is in general his mindset towards everyone. The deleted posts contained more or less \"I don\'t care what you think, shut up!\" and \"I\'ll continue to abuse and cheat as I please because I like it!\".

Originally posted by Nero da 2nd
I did NOT ask for your opinion THANK YOU very much for your suggestion but I do NOT want YOUR opinion frankly.

Which this quote from the same post emphasizes.

Adding to that there is the obvious level of extreme ignorance that has already been mentioned, exemplified by this gem:

Originally posted by Nero da 2nd
If planeshift isn\'t about who\'s stronger or not...why is there dueling?

If you ask me, a game isn\'t complete without competition. Everyone, at one point of time, wants to compete, wipe some guys smile off their smug face, show the other guild who\'s boss.

All in all I definitely don\'t take well to people who don\'t inform themselves before posting, and who also continue posting things like the above, even after having been warned by a locked thread, even openly bragging about cheating (in one of the deleted posts he said that he keeps creating new chars when the penalities for duel invite spamming have accumulated, and then went \"I don\'t care if you like it, I\'m going to keep doing it until duelling is removed!\" ).
A taste of that can still be seen in this thread:

Originally posted by Nero da 2nd
 I constantly duel people, its fun, in some odd, twisted way. The death realm doesn\'t scare me much, its just the fact that i\'ve decided to settle down and try to accomplish something, but everytime fall off a little foothill i die and its another 2 hours trying to make out ramps.

About the walk back part, you don\'t need weapons to duel, you don\'t need to walk back, you could just create another account, easy as 1,2,3.

This quote is already severely toned down from the initial ones, probably after having noticed that there are ways to deal with cheaters like him.

Having this sort of people in PS is worse than having no PS at all.
Therefore I do not apologise for my posts here, as I did mean them exactly like they are, every word, and I also still stand by them.
He has been given a fourth chance already (I\'d have stopped at the second one), I can\'t do anything about that, but I most definitely do not welcome him here (nor do I see reason to do so), unless the seeming change in mindset (as which his other two threads in the WL can be interpreted) is 1) more than just a trick and 2) permanent.

PS is for RP, there are way too many PvP and hack&slash MMO\"RP\"Gs out there already, so not even pity can be a reason for allowing that sort of people into PS.

Edit: removed a smiley that couldn\'t have been more inappropriately placed by the forum\'s parser