Enkis to have more than one partner

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Nero da 2nd
I just want to ask you this....

 Do you think all your other partners would like you with another 15 partners?

In societies with polygomous marriages, not all the partnerships are sexual.

Originally posted by Karyuu
You\'d have to choose partners that would agree, clearly Or if it is an arranged marriage and a tradition among the families, it would pretty much be accepted as duty by the various participants.

In a lot of arranged marriages though, it\'s understood that the marriage is for making babies and bringing family lines together.  It\'s not necessarily a sexual or even loving relationship, and the marriage may be permissive for each partner to have sexual relationships outside the marriage without consequence.  It depends on the culture though.



Personally, I could never do it.  I can\'t obsess over more than one person at a time.  I\'ve slept with two girls at the same time, but we didn\'t really do anything since we were just crashing and spooning, but it was confusing enough.  Who gets the middle?  Who should I be facing?  These are important questions people that need to be answered.  Once bras start flying, the questions just get more complex.



But, yeah.

[dfryer]

the male who is strongest and most skillful in combat

Not \"the male\", implying that there is only one male in the pack, but that \"the pack is led by the male (one out of several) who is strongest and most skillful in combat\", i.e. like a war-chieftain.  This doesn\'t really suggest either model of mating, but the pervasive culture in most of Yliakum seems to be that of monogamous pairs, of either the same or mixed races.  Within an Enkidukai tribe, the pairings would most likely be to other Enkidukai.

[Seytra]

The setting states for Diaboli

From the race description
They rarely keep a single partner, preferring to have many, and that explains the large number of half-breeds in Yliakum.

So they would be prime candidates for polygamy. This obviously doesn\'t mean that this spreads to other races / species, especially not in environments where the traditional ways of life have been more or less preserved (like nomadic tribes). Cities will have all sorts of mindsets AFAICS, only depending on what you can get away with.

Edit: WRT Enkis, please bear in mind that the form of relationship is a cultural issue. RL humans are by nature not required to stick to one partner, yet culture dictates it in most places. So whether or not Enkis are similar to RL cats or lions or whatnot doesn\'t necessarily mean that their culture follows any of it.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Moogie
Psychology

    The Enkidukai race maintains its wild nature. They live in packs controlled by the male who is strongest and most skillful in combat. Each pack has a typical and easily recognizable look, mostly because of their habit in cutting or coloring fur in ritual or traditional ways. Enkidukai are always suspicious of strangers at the beginning, but once you gain their trust, they become faithful companions.


It doesn\'t categorically state it, but this definitely at least hints that THE (singular) male controls a pack of \'his\' females, which, in nature, often suggests a mating group.

Sorry for the vagueness earlier, I didn\'t have time to explain. :)

That\'s not true... If we\'re talking about packs, social hierarchy of those shows that alpha males and females remain in monogamous relationships.

[c-2501]

Originally posted by miadon
Call me a crazy weirdo now if you wish

ok your crazy and a wierdo.

seriously though i dont really see a problem with poligamy in game.

one question though... are inter-racial marrages allowed?
and if not why not?

[Draklar]

Originally posted by c-2501
one question though... are inter-racial marrages allowed?

Yeah, they are.
I think it\'s said so (or rather indicated) somewhere in the setting.

[Halvord]

Originally posted by Seytra
The setting states for Diaboli

From the race description
They rarely keep a single partner, preferring to have many, and that explains the large number of half-breeds in Yliakum.

So they would be prime candidates for polygamy. This obviously doesn\'t mean that this spreads to other races / species, especially not in environments where the traditional ways of life have been more or less preserved (like nomadic tribes). Cities will have all sorts of mindsets AFAICS, only depending on what you can get away with.

Edit: WRT Enkis, please bear in mind that the form of relationship is a cultural issue. RL humans are by nature not required to stick to one partner, yet culture dictates it in most places. So whether or not Enkis are similar to RL cats or lions or whatnot doesn\'t necessarily mean that their culture follows any of it.

In that case, would it be possible that more half-breeds than the Ynnwn?  That would be awesome!  No half-breeds of Krans, of course (or Klyros or Enki, perhaps, too off-species).  Probably won\'t happen anyways.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Halvord

Originally posted by Seytra
The setting states for Diaboli

From the race description
They rarely keep a single partner, preferring to have many, and that explains the large number of half-breeds in Yliakum.

So they would be prime candidates for polygamy. This obviously doesn\'t mean that this spreads to other races / species, especially not in environments where the traditional ways of life have been more or less preserved (like nomadic tribes). Cities will have all sorts of mindsets AFAICS, only depending on what you can get away with.

Edit: WRT Enkis, please bear in mind that the form of relationship is a cultural issue. RL humans are by nature not required to stick to one partner, yet culture dictates it in most places. So whether or not Enkis are similar to RL cats or lions or whatnot doesn\'t necessarily mean that their culture follows any of it.

In that case, would it be possible that more half-breeds than the Ynnwn?  That would be awesome!  No half-breeds of Krans, of course (or Klyros or Enki, perhaps, too off-species).  Probably won\'t happen anyways.

I think that the Ynnwn were a fluke.  Still, the whole rule of \"half breeds don\'t exist!\" doesn\'t make sense and exists purely out of convenience.  If there were enough programmers and artists to make the codes and models for every possible half-breed, then it would probably happen.

[TiagoTiago]

Originally posted by Zan
, in which planeshift is supposedly situated, most people married out of neccesity, arrangement or other benefits like titles or land.

/me giggles like an anime schoogirl at the tought of the  necessities, arrangements and benefits of titles (bear in mind he read too fast and mistoke the \"L\" for an \"i\" )

/me quickly shakes his head and look around with a forced serious face

ok, back to the main topic, Even if there is one alpha male, I\'ve many times on animal planet that some species do have a aplha male, but he is \"elected\" by the \"democratic mass of females\", what is worth all the \"power\" of the aplha male if none of the females \"like\" him, and worse they \"like\" a younger, fitter nomad amle that stumbled into the pack(pride or whatever plural applies). btw don\'t even think asking me which was  species or anything, I suck at remembering names, titLes, faces and stuff...8o)

ok, that was the more organic evolution \"ideal\"  history and behavior point of view, but lets get real, I mean  in the end there are real contemporany humans controlling the characters, even with the \"sugestions\" of behavior language and such, in the end from the moment other people than the authors start interacting with each other the culture inside yiliakum gets a life of its own, sure the authors and simpatitazants(spelling?) can give it some nudges in the direction they intend, but that surelly wont be the final word on the subject, just as there are nazi irl that try to impose an idealogy on others, sure some people go with it, but summing it all you can\'t say the all word is nazist.




ps: sorry about the reference to nazism, it was just the first example that came to my mind, probably cause I\'ve just watched a episode of Law&Order with nazists in it.  And also please note that I am in no way saying nor implying anything regarding opinions fo the authors on mathers of ideology and such. Not my intention to offend or condone anything, just my try at a brief socioscientist wannabe... whatever, now not even I know what I am talking about 8o)

summing it up (somewhat)  I didn\'t intend to say anithing bad or good about any person or group of persons, neither about any concept, -insert here the apologies you feel I should have said, as I probably would have said them if I noticed the necessities of such-

or something somewhat like that 8o)

[Nero da 2nd]

Originally posted by zanzibar

In societies with polygomous marriages, not all the partnerships are sexual.

 Now tell me if i\'m wrong, but this whole \"partner\" thing goes along with being able to marry, am I correct?

 Now marriage, is a very special thing to some people, even though it might be a video game, girlfriends and boyfriends can still be made a big idea.

 Now, let me tell you something, how can you think that your \"partners\" are no more than NPC\'s? Even IF it were your race\'s culture, do you think other wives and husbands would like this? Do you think of wives (or husbands) in this game as prizes?!?!? Do you think you can just marry REAL women (or men) all you want, even though they may not like it? You know what those actions are like, it\'s like a dog. A dog runs around and pounces all the female dogs and then just walks away like nothing happened. Now, if you are talking about \"divorcing\" your partner, then I am OK with that.

 I want you to think, think about the person behind the screen, think about what she (or he) might think, if she (or he) ever found out about your other 13 wives. True, not all partnerships HAVE to be sexual, but these are still people who probaly grow up in countries that have sexual relationships, and only one women per man. She might get angry, get sad, you were CHEATING on her, ever thought of that? Now I don\'t know about you, but I didn\'t spend 2 days of technichal difficulties and downloads, to have this game turned into \"Cheater Shift\" or \"Have as many wives as you want Shift\"

 End of disscusion.

Edited for language.

[Karyuu]

This is a game. This is roleplay. This is not real :)

I would think that the majority of people who are already married in real life wouldn\'t fall in love with moving pixels on a computer screen, nor would even consider marrying someone else in a game. Calm down, you\'re blowing things way out of proportion. Or do you know many cases where a marriage in a game ruined a real, long-term relationship?

*edited to add*

Are you even familiar with real polygamous cultures, societies, or tribes? Are you aware of how they work, and the fact that they do work, and work quite well? Pick up a  cultural anthropology book sometime ;)

[miadon]

Erm I think your taking this game abit serious :s, this topic was about making enki have teh ability to have polygimous marriages (and that idea in general). This is not about people taking the game to serioulsy and getting offended by you marrying other people, if people just went round doing that to anyone then they are bad roleplayers yes.

[Nero da 2nd]

All I have to say is...

 If you guys think i\'m taking this game too seriously, fine. But really, marriges on a video game?? I think that\'s a topic above all, should be taken seriously....its real people people!

 If it were my choice, there would be no marriages....

 My final word on this post....

 Karyuu, I know about those kinds of cultures, but about 90% of us aren\'t living in those kinds of cultures....

[Karyuu]

Yeah? Fortunately most of us are rather tolerant of the freedom of others to live as they choose :) We\'re playing with real people, but we\'re not playing ourselves, and we\'re not playing in real life - thus we can kill others, steal from others, hunt others, scheme against others, and at the end of the day, marry others. A game is a game.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Nero da 2nd

Originally posted by zanzibar

In societies with polygomous marriages, not all the partnerships are sexual.

 

Now tell me if i\'m wrong, but this whole \"partner\" thing goes along with being able to marry, am I correct?

 Now marriage, is a very special thing to some people, even though it might be a video game, girlfriends and boyfriends can still be made a big idea.

 Now, let me tell you something, how can you think that your \"partners\" are no more than NPC\'s? Even IF it were your race\'s culture, do you think other wives and husbands would like this? Do you think of wives (or husbands) in this game as prizes?!?!? Do you think you can just marry REAL women (or men) all you want, even though they may not like it? You know what those actions are like, it\'s like a dog. A dog runs around and pounces on all the female dogs and then just walks away like nothing happened. Now, if you are talking about \"divorcing\" your partner, then I am OK with that.

 I want you to think, think about the person behind the screen, think about what she (or he) might think, if she (or he) ever found out about your other 13 wives. True, not all partnerships HAVE to be sexual, but these are still people who probaly grow up in countries that have sexual relationships, and only one women per man. She might get angry, get sad, you were CHEATING on her, ever thought of that? Now I don\'t know about you, but I didn\'t spend 2 days of technichal difficulties and downloads, to have this game turned into \"Cheater Shift\" or \"Have as many wives as you want Shift\"

 End of disscusion.

Sheesh.  Take a basic anthropology course when you get the chance.

Not all cultures see marriages as sexual, or emotional, or even as meaningful.  Sometimes, marriages are merely political in nature, or partners are status symbals.  Face it -- the ideas of marriage that we have in the west are ideas which belong to us, but not necessarily everyone else in the world.

And hey, this is a game!  The meaning behind such partnerships is diminished even further.

I do have a friend who fell in love with someone she met in a game though.  But they chatted a lot in game, then took it to msn and hit it off from there.

Edited for language in original quote.