Roleplaying in other games?

[zanzibar]

People seem to have weird ideas about roleplaying in planeshift.

What do you consider to be other games, not computer games but any kind of game, which have roleplaying?

[Suno_Regin]

Well, any kind of game on a console is roleplaying, since you don\'t walk up to a person, press X, and say \"lol n00b st0p f0lowin meh!1\"

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Suno_Regin
Well, any kind of game on a console is roleplaying, since you don\'t walk up to a person, press X, and say \"lol n00b st0p f0lowin meh!1\"

Console?

[Suno_Regin]

You know, a video game console. PS2, Gamecube, Xbox, etc.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Suno_Regin
You know, a video game console. PS2, Gamecube, Xbox, etc.

You mean like FF?  You consider that to be roleplaying?

[Draklar]

Originally posted by zanzibar
What do you consider to be other games, not computer games but any kind of game, which have roleplaying?

You\'re getting better and better \\o/
Not only the two sentences which form the starting post have no apparent connection, but also the second sentence is ridiculously complicated, to the point of being hard to understand.

So the question is what we consider to be non-computer games with a role-playing value.

Asides the obvious question, what does it have to do with Planeshift;

Isn\'t RPG the obvious answer?

[Kiern]

Originally posted by Draklar
So the question is what we consider to be non-computer games with a role-playing value.

I think he meant all games including, but not limited to, computer games.  Though you wouldn\'t know it by the way he said it...

The rest, however, is probably just as pointless as his other threads (most notably his most recent). and no good can come of trying to make sense of it.

[dfryer]

I think he meant all games including, but not limited to, computer games.  Though you wouldn\'t know it by the way he said it...

I suspect your statement is inconsistant.  You claim to have an interpretation, and then also claim that interpretation is impossible from the statement alone (plus an implicit understanding of english sentence construction).  So.. are you psychic?  And if so, do you use your powers for good, or for awesome?

Roleplaying happens in .. well, \'role-playing\' games, like D&D, some MUDs, and some MMORPGs (or at least between a certain group of people in MUDs and MMORPGs).  It also happens in theatre, where the roleplay is pre-ordained, excepting improv theater.  Roleplaying can happen in strategy or war games like Diplomacy, or even Monopoly if you want to play the game that way.

Is there such a thing as roleplaying in single-character games?  I think so, to the extent that you can make choices which are (to the player) not necessarily \"optimal\" but are consistant with a fictional characters view of things.  But in a single-player game, you\'ll take less flak for cheating, and the satisfaction is purely from knowing that when YOU slew the green dragon, YOU did it without breaking character, while the kid down the street robbed all the houses in town in order to buy the Sword of Ultimate Good +3.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by dfryer
I suspect your statement is inconsistant.  You claim to have an interpretation, and then also claim that interpretation is impossible from the statement alone (plus an implicit understanding of english sentence construction).  So.. are you psychic?  And if so, do you use your powers for good, or for awesome?

I am guessing he put into consideration what zanz could mean by what he said (ever tried to interpret poetry? :P), giving room for possibility (which is quite high in the author\'s case :P) that the sentence might not express correctly what he tried to pull forward.

That\'s what I did at start as well, but then assumed, following logical function of (c ^ g), where c - non-computer, g - any game; Would be much safer :P

[Valbrandr]

Roleplaying in other games?  meh never heard of it .. but seriously in any of the Major MMORPGs to find someone who is actually RPing is more rare then playing a whole day in PS without getting kicked... I do have a friend who is a better RPer than myself and he RPs 100% of the time while in FF XI.. But as for console games.. i dont look at it as true RP.. if your not interacting with other things that can interact then it doesnt seem like RP to me.  And, call me lame.. uncreative or whatever but i tend to name the lead character after myself still .

Really, other than those few D&D dorks who RP all the time (and I mean those who do it in RL) i hadnt encountered RP until i came here.. now I hadnt played a ton of online games so im sure its out there..

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Draklar

Originally posted by zanzibar
What do you consider to be other games, not computer games but any kind of game, which have roleplaying?

You\'re getting better and better \\o/
Not only the two sentences which form the starting post have no apparent connection, but also the second sentence is ridiculously complicated, to the point of being hard to understand.

So the question is what we consider to be non-computer games with a role-playing value.

Asides the obvious question, what does it have to do with Planeshift;

Isn\'t RPG the obvious answer?

i) People in the planeshift community have notions of what is and what is not roleplaying.

ii)  These notions seem weird to me in light of my previous experiences with role playing.

iii)  What do you consider to be examples of role playing in other games?

iv)  By other games, I do not mean only computer games.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by dfryer

I think he meant all games including, but not limited to, computer games.  Though you wouldn\'t know it by the way he said it...

I suspect your statement is inconsistant.  You claim to have an interpretation, and then also claim that interpretation is impossible from the statement alone (plus an implicit understanding of english sentence construction).  So.. are you psychic?  And if so, do you use your powers for good, or for awesome?

Don\'t give too much time to their complaints.  They\'re just bitter from me pwning them in other discussions.  This is their way of dealing with their insecurities.

Originally posted by dfryer
Roleplaying happens in .. well, \'role-playing\' games, like D&D, some MUDs, and some MMORPGs (or at least between a certain group of people in MUDs and MMORPGs).  It also happens in theatre, where the roleplay is pre-ordained, excepting improv theater.  Roleplaying can happen in strategy or war games like Diplomacy, or even Monopoly if you want to play the game that way.

The power of charisma is definately underrated in Monopoly.  The same is true for Risk, Settlers, Illuminati, Chaos Magic, all those games we know from kids camp.  Of course those elements aren\'t ~necessarily~ there, and you can play each of them in a completely mechanical way.  That is, playing within a rule set which takes into account chance operations such as card drawing and rolling dice (care floppers and dice chuckers).  With AD&D and it\'s spin offs, there is a lot more at play, and those mechanical chance operations are more hidden.  I roll a dice, but I don\'t hit my enemy with a XX damage fireball.  The dungeon master uses flowerly language to make it more visual and imaginative...

Me:  \"Ok, I cast fireball and roll 3d6... 5, 5, 6... I get +2 to each because I\'m a 5th level elementalist with specialization in pyromancy\"

DM:  Scorching flames extend from your hands towards the two archers in the tree.  The entire campsite is filled with light as if it were daylight - the archers are incinerated and their bodies fall to the ground, black with char.  Roll sense perception... you notice the smell of smoke in the air.  You\'ve started a forest fire.\"

But is even that role playing?  Or deciding which way to turn down a maze?  I suspect that many people in this community would say, no.  That\'s simply mechanical.  I\'m not inclined to agree automatically, but this is part of what I want to get at.

Originally posted by dfryer
Is there such a thing as roleplaying in single-character games?  I think so, to the extent that you can make choices which are (to the player) not necessarily \"optimal\" but are consistant with a fictional characters view of things.  But in a single-player game, you\'ll take less flak for cheating, and the satisfaction is purely from knowing that when YOU slew the green dragon, YOU did it without breaking character, while the kid down the street robbed all the houses in town in order to buy the Sword of Ultimate Good +3.

Or maybe he stayed at the red ogre in and slept for 3 hours three times in a row then saved, relogged in, then opened the cupboards to find them full of daedric weaponry.  Err, I mean....

[Draklar]

Originally posted by zanzibar
Don\'t give too much time to their complaints.  They\'re just bitter from me pwning them in other discussions.  This is their way of dealing with their insecurities. ;)

I don\'t think anyone else on these forums commits as much argumentum ad hominem as you do...
Learn to avoid using logical fallacies before saying you \"pwn\" anyone in discussion... Actually don\'t say that at all. It\'s lame.

Now back to the \"topic\":
\"What do you consider to be examples of role playing in other games?\"

Any form of activity that involves \'pretending\' to be someone else.
For examples use \"Pretending to be I honestly don\'t see what else can be said on this topic...

[Kiern]

Originally posted by dfryer
You claim to have an interpretation, and then also claim that interpretation is impossible from the statement alone (plus an implicit understanding of english sentence construction).

I think it is impossible from the statement alone.  If I didn\'t know who wrote the thread I would assume what Draklar did without a second thought...but since it is zanzibar I put a little more effort then usual into using context to determine what he might be attempting to say.  I don\'t see how that makes it inconsistant?

In any case, what role-playing games are depends on the individual person in my opinion...as long as the individual is pretending to be someone they\'re not, that is role-playing as per the definition itself.  As far as a \"game\" goes, that also depends on the individual.

What is a role-playing game?  Exactly what our friend the dictionary tells us it is.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Draklar

Originally posted by zanzibar
Don\'t give too much time to their complaints.  They\'re just bitter from me pwning them in other discussions.  This is their way of dealing with their insecurities.

I don\'t think anyone else on these forums commits as much argumentum ad hominem as you do...
Learn to avoid using logical fallacies before saying you \"pwn\" anyone in discussion... Actually don\'t say that at all. It\'s lame.

Now back to the \"topic\":
\"What do you consider to be examples of role playing in other games?\"

Any form of activity that involves \'pretending\' to be someone else.
For examples use \"Pretending to be I honestly don\'t see what else can be said on this topic...

It\'s ok.  I understand that you\'re simply acting out to establish an online persona in a medium which can be harsh and judgemental.

The definition you gave is one I tend to agree with.  \"pretending to be _____ \".  However, people here don\'t seem to agree with you and me.  If you were to pretend to be a gladiator who spent his whole life going between fighting at the arena and  eating and sleeping at the tavern, you would be RPing according to that definition.  However, many people in this community would frown upon it as \"not-RP\".