Has something dramatic changed in the planeshift economy?

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by lucifeir

Originally posted by yayoo
Hurray for the wipe!

yes the wipe like the great flood. it will most definatly rule

No it won\'t.  It means that we\'ll have to dedicate hours and hours of playing time into levelling up just to playtest new features of the game.  Then once we get to playtest them, we\'ll find flaws and ballance issues, or we\'ll find ways to exploit them, and then there will have to be another wipe and the process repeats.

[Zan]

Zanz you\'re sounding like you dislike playing hours and hours

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Zan
Zanz you\'re sounding like you dislike playing hours and hours

When it\'s just grinding, then yes.

[lucifeir]

So uh it will be like a year before the wipe right

[DaveG]

Expect a wipe \"soon\".  (though, probably sooner than the typical \"soon\")

[zanzibar]

pblbl

To replicate that sound, put your lips together, relax them, and blow through your mouth.


I simply don\'t see the justification for a wipe at this point.  There are only two reasons to wipe at this stage of developement:

i)  To counteract serious after-effects of glitches and bugs and exploits that have since been fixed.

ii)  To test out what it\'s like to start a new character in the presences of new features and game mechanics.


Crafting isn\'t in the game yet.  Only two new spells are in the game.  Even more importantly, weapons don\'t degrade yet.

Once weapons do start to break from wear, all those super weapons will leave naturally until their in-game presence begins to plateau acording to the new drop-rates.


Since neither conditions i or ii are true, I disagree with having a wipe.  Once crafting, more spells, and wear and tear of equipment is in the game, then sure wipe away.

[stfrn]

Originally posted by zanzibar
i)  To counteract serious after-effects of glitches and bugs and exploits that have since been fixed.

ii)  To test out what it\'s like to start a new character in the presences of new features and game mechanics.

2 simply ins\'t a factor. I thas no effect on the develompent of the game if people all have highly trained characters or low stats. It was viewd as an extra challange for players to have a longer time to progress, however the change was incomplete, and once that change happnes, all character stats need to be wiped again. Also there are the items. You were told at the time that ther ewould be an item wipe to get rid of the excessive items that would spawn. The reason for this was clear when rats spawned gold falchons.

For what it\'s worth, weapon damage isn\'t even beeing planned right now.

[Zan]

Bring on the wipe! *cheers*

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Yeah ok I\'m just doing that to bug Zanz over there

Seriously though I don\'t care when a wipe will appear at all because it won\'t stop me from roleplaying. However Zanz has a point that wiping at the moment would be rather useless. His arguments didn\'t make much sense but I believe that a real reason to have an item wipe is to restore the in-game economy. In my opinion restoring the economy before the implementation and full functionality of crafting is just asking to do the same work twice.

But it doesn\'t make sense thinking that the Devs aren\'t aware of this so I have no idea why I\'m telling them how to do their job here ... hmm maybe crafting will appear \"soon\" as well then.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by stfrn

Originally posted by zanzibar
i)  To counteract serious after-effects of glitches and bugs and exploits that have since been fixed.

ii)  To test out what it\'s like to start a new character in the presences of new features and game mechanics.

2 simply ins\'t a factor. I thas no effect on the develompent of the game if people all have highly trained characters or low stats. It was viewd as an extra challange for players to have a longer time to progress, however the change was incomplete, and once that change happnes, all character stats need to be wiped again. Also there are the items. You were told at the time that ther ewould be an item wipe to get rid of the excessive items that would spawn. The reason for this was clear when rats spawned gold falchons.

For what it\'s worth, weapon damage isn\'t even beeing planned right now.

Oh please.  Gold falchions aren\'t good weapons compared to even the more basic new ones like ones of Iron.  So throw that advantage out the window.  Then, there were a few days where all the gladiators and rogues were defenseless, so everyone had a chance to loot expensive weapons.  Ok, so throw ballance issues out the window.

So basically, everyone had an injection of money.  So what?  Even if it was 50,000 trias each, how does it matter?  All that money probably disapeared into stats (which are pretty meaningless in the long run) or new players (who are happy for freebies).

Plus, people who were around for MB get free stuff from time to time anyway.


So, yet again, I\'m left convinced of my own position.

[Nikodemus]

I don\'t see why wipe would have sense, but i also don\'t care much about the stats. And as Zanz stated, even if we do wipe everytime somethink bigger change, it will help in nothing nor be destrictive. Eighter way we will have trained and rich people at some point (at once or after some time) and in both cases things will balance to the new enviroment with time, no matter if wipe or no wipe.
Correct me if i put words into your mouth

I even don\'t care if some people make their chars a lot stronger because of a bug which become fixed. For me they will be just another ants of one big ants\' nest. It is normal that some are rich and other aren\'t and that for some of them it was simpler.