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« Reply #60 on: December 20, 2005, 09:30:58 pm »
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CoB and Kalmah are Power metal? When I hear Power metal I more think about ...manowar *shivers*...and Iced Earth and Kamelot and that sort of stuff...


Yes, tell him! If I had a Euro for every time I argued with him about that...
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Kalmah
CoB
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CoB
The bands are categorized as power metal. If you\'d check the forums of those sites, you\'d see that people there give solid argumentation why they\'re power metal. I mean, c\'mon... Compare them to In Flames, Amon Amarth or Mercenary (the actual melo-death bands)

The non-singed parts are so obvious power metal, that it\'s easy to assume some people call them melo-death solely because of growls.
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« Reply #61 on: December 21, 2005, 09:10:52 pm »
Yeah well agreed Amon Amarth sounds really different compared to CoB and Norther and stuff...But to say CoB is Power metal... You know if you compare Manowar with CoB there\'s also a big difference...
But on the other hand also agreed, you can\'t put an entire album of one artist in one genre (well mostly you can\'t), that\'s why I think arguing about whether they are this or that genre is completely useless :) It\'s some sort of endless discussion, and if you look at what genre CoB themselves think they are...they say they just got something of everything.

By the way, you say that Amon Amarth is melo-death, whilst others say it\'s Viking Metal. This as illustration to the fact that genre-discussing is pointless because in a way a lot of people saying different things are all right in a way.

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« Reply #62 on: December 21, 2005, 09:21:04 pm »
Manowar is more Heavy metal than Power... Just the latest stuff is Heavy/Power.
And like I said, compare CoB to DragonForce. Anyway, Melo-death is really heavy and dark, giving a strong impression that it comes from the Death genre, whilst bands like CoB are fast and rather uplifting. Their solos are typical power metal solos.

And people call Amon Amarth a Viking Metal because they sing about viking stuff. Same case as with Enslaved. I heard Viking Metal bits from Amon Amarth, but it\'s rather rare and not enough to put this band under such genre.

Also, genres are very important, so that when someone seeks for Death Metal, he won\'t be recommended Rhapsody.
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« Reply #63 on: December 21, 2005, 11:39:16 pm »
Yeah well you\'re right about that...If someone asks for Death Metal he should be given Death metal and not something else...but isn\'t it so that it\'s very hard to stick a genre to a band? Isn\'t it hard to define different genres, mainly because everybody else thinks they\'re something else?
I mean, what would you call Wintersun? They have fast and uplifting pieces, like Starchild and Beyond the Dark sun and Winter Madness (Which I REALLY REALLY like by the way :D), but also darker, slower stuff like Sleeping Stars. That would imply that they play two different genre, so it\'s impossible to class them under one.

Anyway I guess I\'ve never really been busy with defining genres as such...So I guess you have more an idea about what you\'re talking about :)

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« Reply #64 on: December 21, 2005, 11:53:23 pm »
Im just waiting for this thread to die so something new and interesting will take its place on the forums.

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« Reply #65 on: December 21, 2005, 11:58:14 pm »
Yeah this thread went on long enough lets talk about something interesting.

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« Reply #66 on: December 21, 2005, 11:59:38 pm »
Well I categorize Wintersun as Power/Viking metal. Death And The Healing is especially good example of such style.

Edit: And I categorize almost everything, seeing as I\'m keeping order in my \"music\" directory. Metal I split into \"Folk&Viking\", \"Heavy&Power\" and \"Other\" ;D
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« Reply #67 on: December 22, 2005, 09:01:15 am »
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Yes, tell him! If I had a Euro for every time I argued with him about that...
...You\'d have one Euro.


Two now. Go on, I\'ll be rich. :D

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Norther
Kalmah
CoB
Norther
Kalmah
CoB
The bands are categorized as power metal. If you\'d check the forums of those sites, you\'d see that people there give solid argumentation why they\'re power metal. I mean, c\'mon... Compare them to In Flames, Amon Amarth or Mercenary (the actual melo-death bands)


I see metalstorm.ee-Links as a reference... That\'s like saying that Microsoft invented the Personal Computer. ;)
But then again, they also say

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Now that the history of this genre is clearer what is melodic death metal musically? Melodic death metal is a genre that has grown more international throughout the years. Suceeding the waves of Gothenburg melodic death metal came the Finnish wave. This consisted of the bands I said earlier (Children Of Bodom, Norther, Eternal Tears of Sorrow), and featured a different influence from the Swedish waves. The Finns kept the dual guitar attack which was less brutal and more melodic from most Swedish bands, and put more of what is considered today as a power metal style of play. The Finns also used the screaming style of vocals perfected by Mikael Stanne, Tomas Lindberg, and company, but with a more clear tone and slightly higher in pitch. These things alone sound allow for the classification as melodic death metal bands.


So in my opinion you are partially right. While the guitar style is lent from classical \"Power Metal\", the rest doesn\'t fit in at all. So either you need to say the genre doesn\'t exist, and that these bands are somewhere in between the \"major styles\", taking elements of both into their music, but then again you might as well give it a name, and that\'s Melodeath.

I\'m not a friend of too many too witty names for genres, because like Izzy*dot said before, you can\'t put a band that has had a couple of albums out into just one genre because they tend to evolve or change (usually to something far worse :P ). Sometimes, you can\'t even label a single album with a certain style. So whenever someone asks me what style a band plays, I use
  • Black
  • Death
  • Melodeath
  • Power/Melocic
  • Progressive
  • Gothic
  • Doom
  • Viking
  • New Metal
  • Hardcore
  • Thrash
  • Folk/Middleage
  • Hard Rock/Heavy

which, with can be considered the major subgenres of \"Metal\" exception of Melodeath (with the exception of Melodeath perhaps, as it\'s already a mix-form, then again there\'s so many bands out there who do just that mix that they might as well open their own genre). If a band doesn\'t fall directly into one of those, I say \"a little bit of X and a little bit of Y\". I refuse to acknowledge \"Puritanical Melancholic Funeral Metal\" and all the other crap names as genres, until hell freezes over. :P

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- Yeah this thread went on long enough lets talk about something interesting.


The forum supports more than one concurrent active thread, you know... ;)
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« Reply #68 on: December 22, 2005, 09:45:50 am »
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« Reply #69 on: December 22, 2005, 09:49:42 am »
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    [*]Black
    [*]Death
    [*]Melodeath
    [*]Power/Melocic
    [*]Progressive
    [*]Gothic
    [*]Doom
    [*]Viking
    [*]New Metal
    [*]Hardcore
    [/LIST]
    Woe on you! You forgot Folk Metal :[
    A group of Irish drunkards should hunt you down for that. And add to that Tapio Wilska, because he\'s crazy.

    Interesting article though. From what I\'ve seen however, whenever someone called CoB melo-death on the forums, there was always quite a bit of people to yell why it\'s power.
    And as long as band sounds more like DragonForce and less like Vader, it\'s mostly power metal for me :P

    Edit: Should I even comment lack of Heavy Metal on that list? xD

    Edit2: And where\'s Speed and Thrash... Dude :[
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    « Reply #70 on: December 22, 2005, 11:53:13 am »
    You are correct of course, the list is not complete... ;( lemme fix that.
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    « Reply #71 on: December 22, 2005, 05:59:00 pm »
    Anyway, if someone wants to hear a real Viking Metal masterpiece, listen to \"Heathen\" by Wyrd. The band\'s Black/Viking metal and both genres are merged perfectly in that 51 minutes long song. One of the most epic ones I\'ve ever heard.
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    « Reply #72 on: December 23, 2005, 12:10:28 am »
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    Anyway, if someone wants to hear a real Viking Metal masterpiece, listen to \"Heathen\" by Wyrd. The band\'s Black/Viking metal and both genres are merged perfectly in that 51 minutes long song. One of the most epic ones I\'ve ever heard.





    It depends on what makes it so long.  If it could be easily divided into smaller songs, then can we really call a song epic?
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    « Reply #73 on: December 23, 2005, 07:14:07 am »
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    It depends on what makes it so long.  If it could be easily divided into smaller songs, then can we really call a song epic?
    The whole song tells one single story :[
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