wipe??

[Verrliit]

Originally posted by Karyuu
This thread exists so that the original poster can get answers to the posted questions.

You are right, that the questioner should have questions answered.

But full understanding is not limited only to the questions asked.

Originally posted by c-2501
sorry for all the questions, but im a fairly new player and the thought of loosing everything ive created over the last few months kinda scares me.

Your reaction is shared.

You have worked hard, and the things you have achieved are important to you, if only because of the time you put into them.

Having been through a wipe, I know quite well how you feel.

Hopefully, those who so forcefully advocate the complete destruction of all the work that players have done, are not the final authority on when, how and why a wipe might occur.

My advice to you?

Make other ways to keep in touch with your friends.


Verrliit

[Jinkeen]

I\'m hoping these wipes involve resetting all stats, trias, and items... some people have had over 100k at a time and have over 6000 progression points... :\\

I don\'t understand why some people are so worried about what others do or have...how does it affect one\'s gameplay or RP to know that someone else has more money or experience points.  It doesn\'t.  Anyone that wants a wipe just because someone else worked for and has more than them is petty and jealous and doesn\'t want to play a game they just want to make sure no one else can either.

I train about 40% , RP or fraternize about 40% and do both about 20%.  I have never had my experience affected because someone else is higher skilled or richer than I am.  It does not change the game for me and my personal experience one bit, except for maybe challenging me to work harder and learn from the others.

I frequently give money and weapons to new cats in Ojaveda when I am there.  No one helped me in such a manner and I take joy in giving someone a sword and taking them to the rats and then to get their first sell with some loot. I could not do these things without the benefit of that which I have worked for in game.  

I understand a technical need for a wipe, but someone obssessed with it because others have more really needs to find a less social game and not this one.  It is apparent that they can\'t just have friends for who they are rather than what they have. It really isn\'t any of their business what another character is doing anyway if it is within the rules. Try finding a level playing field IRL..No one is going to wipe the real world because someone is higher trained and has more money than you..no matter how they got there or how much you wish for it.  

Quit whining.

[Karyuu]

No one is whining, Jinkeen - and the technical needs for the wipe are the only important needs :) Which I believe have already been stated. So to summarize:

\"when you say soon...how soon we talkin months? weeks?\"
stfrn\'s answer: \"Best guess now is no less then a month, and no more then... 4 months? Eh, I won\'t know untill you do anyways. \"

\"secondly when the wipe happens, will i have to reregister my ps account?\"
No.

\"what about my characters name... what if someone reregisters it first?\"
Nothing of the sort will happen - your character will remain. But in the first wipe, the items may be removed (which items or all items [unlikely] is yet to be determined, so hang tight and wait for more official news), and in wipes that are guaranteed to follow in the distant future, your skills and stats will be reset.

\"im i just going to have to abandon all the rp ive set up arround my main character over the past few months?\"
While skills, stats, and items do tons to help you roleplay, abandoning roleplay entirely because of the wipe is unnecessary - we have always used our imaginations when game mechanics haven\'t been available, and so we can continue doing so until our characters build themselves up again.

thirdly guilds. will the guilds be wiped too? if so are they usually reconstructed?
No guild wipes :)


If there is some incorrect information in there, a PS team member will come and clean it up ;) Otherwise, again - let\'s not argue, please :>

[ylikone]

After a wipe, is there a huge line-up at the rats?  I imagine you will need to put more easily killable/lootable beasts in play... as everybody will be wanting to gain stuff again at the same time.

Also, is there a RP name for the wipe?  Something like \"the great desolation that brings destitution\"?

[DaveG]

Most likely, the next wipe will be just like the last.  You\'ll just have an empty account, which you can then (re)make your character with.  If guilds are wiped, they\'ll just be reformed.  We\'re wiping data here, not people.  And yes, there will probably be overcrowding in the sewers again.  

/setskill all 200
( yes folks, I am lazy enough to make this command... )

[Kiirani]

Originally posted by Karyuu
No one is whining, Jinkeen - and the technical needs for the wipe are the only important needs Which I believe have already been stated. So to summarize:

\"when you say soon...how soon we talkin months? weeks?\"
stfrn\'s answer: \"Best guess now is no less then a month, and no more then... 4 months? Eh, I won\'t know untill you do anyways. \"

\"secondly when the wipe happens, will i have to reregister my ps account?\"
No.

\"what about my characters name... what if someone reregisters it first?\"
Nothing of the sort will happen - your character will remain. But in the first wipe, the items may be removed (which items or all items [unlikely] is yet to be determined, so hang tight and wait for more official news), and in wipes that are guaranteed to follow in the distant future, your skills and stats will be reset.

\"im i just going to have to abandon all the rp ive set up arround my main character over the past few months?\"
While skills, stats, and items do tons to help you roleplay, abandoning roleplay entirely because of the wipe is unnecessary - we have always used our imaginations when game mechanics haven\'t been available, and so we can continue doing so until our characters build themselves up again.

thirdly guilds. will the guilds be wiped too? if so are they usually reconstructed?
No guild wipes


If there is some incorrect information in there, a PS team member will come and clean it up Otherwise, again - let\'s not argue, please :>

Hmm, I\'m going to have to disagree with that. Last wipe, all my characters were deleted, all the guilds disappeared because all the characters were deleted.

[rpglover123]

ok so what is coming with the next wipe?  new races or more customization for the races? better majic system or possibly better combat system?

[c-2501]

wow none of my posts have ever generated so much resoponses in such a short period of time before!

anyway thanks for all the info Karyuu, and i hope your right

[Zan]

That\'s what you get for mentioning the word of doom: \'Wipe\'

[Verrliit]

Originally posted by Kiirani
Hmm, I\'m going to have to disagree with that. Last wipe, all my characters were deleted, all the guilds disappeared because all the characters were deleted.

I know how you feel.

The day before the wipe, my guild had about 30 regularly active members.  Only six or so, trickled back into PS over the months after the wipe.

Only two or three players remain.

The last Wipe killed my guild, and broke the continuity of the world.  It was anything but trivial.


Many of the WTB Devs, GMs and Moderators who post here, say that just because some of the players have hit the current max levels faster than expected, every character now needs to be wiped.

Not one has explained why that is a problem at all, much less why only a character wipe can solve it.

We get this instead:

Originally posted by Karyuu
There have been many many previous arguments on the general subject, and we all know how they ended. So instead of having the same people continue their same arguments, I ask that everyone please either argue with those who manage PlaneShift and the wipes (and see their same reactions), or privately amongst yourselves. Otherwise this will get locked.

So Karyuu, you will stop us from having any further discussion of a Wipe, even in a thread labeled \"Wipe\"?

I have to wonder why it would make any difference to you what we talk about and for how long.


And let me ask everyone this question:

If we can\'t discuss whatever we want, especially something as important to us as a Wipe, for as much and as long as we want to, why should we come here to talk at all?

[Cyl]

Originally posted by Verrliit
If we can\'t discuss whatever we want, especially something as important to us as a Wipe, for as much and as long as we want to, why should we come here to talk at all?

To discuss what you can discuss.

I dont want to say that the wipe was no problem for me, but well, it was rather the huge update that followed and the fact that I have limited UP/DOWN bandwidth...

If myguild died, because of the wipe, then I would *strongly* ask myself wether or not it was meant to stay rather than blaming the wipe for it.

[Cha0s]

Verrliit: Karyuu was just saying that we\'ve already been there. This is tech demo. The devs want to wipe items to make it harder to progress, they do it. They decide not to do, they don\'t do it. They have no obligation to you; they\'ll do what they feel is best for the game and community as a whole. Feel free to state your opinion, but after that, it isn\'t your decision and there\'s no sense in arguing it further.

[stfrn]

Originally posted by Cyl
I dont want to say that the wipe was no problem for me, but well, it was rather the huge update that followed and the fact that I have limited UP/DOWN bandwidth...

If myguild died, because of the wipe, then I would *strongly* ask myself wether or not it was meant to stay rather than blaming the wipe for it.

Well, that is one of the unfortuante parts of a game in deveoplement, files change all the time. In fact this next update may require downloading old files, as techincal issues require new versions. But of course you cannot change without some adjustment

[Keyaz]

*cuts out the unimportant stuff*

Originally posted by Verrliit
why should we come here to talk at all?

good point, if so, then don\'t, saves the Mods the hassle of warning, deleting and locking.

such topics are allowed to be discussed, on a mature level.

did you see the pun in that sentence? the word \'mature\'

im not pointing finegrs at anyone else

I\'m immature, yup, you can see that by this post, but the point is, touchy subjects such as database wipes will never in the hstory of planeshifts creation stay at a mature level

thus said, the thread creators questions have been answered i\'ll get a slap on the wrist from someone, everyone gets a little bit annoyed because other poeple have different opinions, the thread may get locked and/or deleted, we start over.

tea, scones and a game of polo. can we move on now? :]

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Verrliit
The day before the wipe, my guild had about 30 regularly active members.  Only six or so, trickled back into PS over the months after the wipe.

Only two or three players remain.

The last Wipe killed my guild, and broke the continuity of the world.  It was anything but trivial.

That\'s funny, because I only remember there being only around half a dozen members who were very active, MAYBE a dozen if my memory is not serving me well, and of those even less were actually committed to the guild.  It was pretty much just you, Karsier, and Xylaez; far beneath the required minimum.

And even if none of that is true and you did have 30 active members both before and after the wipe, neither Karsier nor Xylaez made a real attempt at restarting the guild.  You levelled up your character and started stock up weapons from the arena, and for a time you had the guild name reserved, but I don\'t recall you trying to recruit through RP.  You certainly weren\'t active in the guild forum, as the TBoA thread has long been inactive except for the occasional bumping by yours truly.


I\'m not trying to rag on you, and I do sympathize with you.  My point is that wipes really don\'t have any lasting effect on the roleplaying here.  If a guild dies, it\'s because of another reason.