A good reason not to have dragons, trolls, fairies, etc.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by stfrn
There is famaliarity in the \"common\" fanatasy. That is why everquest took what DnD took from what LoTR took from .... But we do not need to limit ourselves to what has been done before.

You believe you are the first ones to create completely new creatures..?

And I agree with derwoodly. Familiarity helps in role-playing, while creatures which build \"it\'s a game\" atmosphere won\'t do well for that.

[derwoodly]

Originally posted by zanzibar

Your conclusion doesn\'t make any sense.  You\'re talking about what seem to be very different communities, and then you\'re making a huge jump to blame those differences on the existence of trolls.

Trolls are just the creatures I used in my example.  I have lots of others in my head, but I picked that one mostly because of the title of the thread. And yes SB EQ and PS are very different games in very different parts of development, But they are all fantasy mmorpgs.  My point was when I was playing a game with a familiar setting that I was sure all of the others in my group were familiar with it was easy to role play.  I personally have found it hard to role play in PS.  I am forced to keep to very simple conversation while in character.  As you have pointed out in the PS world we are all babies new to the world.   Well, that is how my conversation comes out.

[zanzibar]

You still aren\'t making much sense.  I\'ve gotten into countless conversations which were in character and also very interesting and colourful.  Maybe you\'re trying to talk too much about fighting monsters and not enough about matters of philosophy and life?

[derwoodly]

In the past my in game hours was a lot higher than it is now.  Because my PS game time is a lot lower than most  PS players, my impresion of the game could be atypical.  It certainly seems atypical of yours, Zanzibar.  I find it dificult to just catagorically say that there is absolutly no link between famaliarity and quality of role play as you have done.

Now, if that did not make sense, let me provide another example.  In other games I could use an insult like, \"your mother was knoll and your father smelt of elvin wine!\" and everyone would get the meaning.  I don\'t even have to know the games backstory.  In PS I find it hard to come up with the same level of colorful insult without going outside the bounds of what is saposed to be in the world.   I could say \"your mother Uber and your father smelt of the ol\' fallin down, but it is not quite the same, at least I don\'t think it is.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by derwoodly
In the past my in game hours was a lot higher than it is now.  Because my PS game time is a lot lower than most  PS players, my impresion of the game could be atypical.  It certainly seems atypical of yours, Zanzibar.  I find it dificult to just catagorically say that there is absolutly no link between famaliarity and quality of role play as you have done.

Now, if that did not make sense, let me provide another example.  In other games I could use an insult like, \"your mother was knoll and your father smelt of elvin wine!\" and everyone would get the meaning.  I don\'t even have to know the games backstory.  In PS I find it hard to come up with the same level of colorful insult without going outside the bounds of what is saposed to be in the world.   I could say \"your mother Uber and your father smelt of the ol\' fallin down, but it is not quite the same, at least I don\'t think it is.

\"May your blade chip and shatter!\"

That\'s an insult from another source.  Does it not work in PS?


Or how about this one...

\"Anyone smell \'burnt cat\'?\"  I said this after a fenki returned from the death realm, having recently been killed by a fire spell.  I actually got into a lot of trouble with this one.  There\'s \"Rocks for brains!\", or \"Your mother was a kran/dwarf!\".  To a dwarf, you could acuse him of having an ulbernaught\'s baby on his chin, or you comment on the quality of his wares.

And why does it have to be elven wine?  And why am I still awake?  Can anyone tell me what guild I supposedly infiltrated?  If I\'m apparently doing things in game without knowing it, there could be a problem.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by zanzibar
\"May your blade chip and shatter!\"

That\'s an insult from another source.  Does it not work in PS?

That\'s not an insult but a bad-wishing. Just like \"May the leaves of your life tree never turn brown\" isn\'t a compliment.

[derwoodly]

All very nice insults.

My point is that for ME it is harder to come up with this kind of role play without the Lord of the Ring style world to fall back on.  It just takes me more time. Even your \"cat\" comment is questionable as in caracter if PS does not have \"cats\" you would be safer with a burnt hair comment.  Maybe...

\"The only thing that smells worse than a wet Fenki is a burnt one!\"

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Draklar

Originally posted by zanzibar
\"May your blade chip and shatter!\"

That\'s an insult from another source.  Does it not work in PS?

That\'s not an insult but a bad-wishing. Just like \"May the leaves of your life tree never turn brown\" isn\'t a compliment.

No, it\'s an insult.

Originally posted by derwoodly
All very nice insults.

My point is that for ME it is harder to come up with this kind of role play without the Lord of the Ring style world to fall back on.  It just takes me more time. Even your \"cat\" comment is questionable as in caracter if PS does not have \"cats\" you would be safer with a burnt hair comment.  Maybe...

\"The only thing that smells worse than a wet Fenki is a burnt one!\"

Planeshift has bears, so I don\'t feel guilty about mentioning cats.  As far as your difficulty with being creative, I think its your own creativity which is the problem.  Expand your horizons.  Force yourself to work with new ideas and situations.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by zanzibar
Planeshift has bears, so I don\'t feel guilty about mentioning cats.  As far as your difficulty with being creative, I think its your own creativity which is the problem.  Expand your horizons.  Force yourself to work with new ideas and situations.

Either you confuse a long-tailed rodent with a large omnivorous mammal, or apparently I am missing something...

And some may actually consider cats to be non-existant in the Yliakum. the differences in opinion prove derwoodly\'s point, zanzibar.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Draklar

Originally posted by zanzibar
Planeshift has bears, so I don\'t feel guilty about mentioning cats.  As far as your difficulty with being creative, I think its your own creativity which is the problem.  Expand your horizons.  Force yourself to work with new ideas and situations.

Either you confuse a long-tailed rodent with a large omnivorous mammal, or apparently I am missing something...

And some may actually consider cats to be non-existant in the Yliakum. the differences in opinion prove derwoodly\'s point, zanzibar.

There are bears in Planeshift.  They might be nothing like real life bears, and they may merely be a folk tale, but they\'re there.

At the library, you can read the books on the shelves.  One of those books mentions bears.


spelling corrected

[Draklar]

Bah, my character can\'t read so I don\'t frequent that place... But as a hunter he should know that :P
...Which would be another argument against the originality.

Either way, that\'s a dodgy reason. Because if you believe cats exist just because of the bears, then why not every single of the other animals living on Earth?
And we know it isn\'t so, as there are no horses.

[TheMinority]

*Philosophy moment!*

Plato\'s philosophy of \"The Cave\".

Imagine you\'re in a cave, facing a huge wall. You are unable to turn left or right or turn around, and so must stare at that wall alone. Behind you is a fire, as bright as can be. Between you and the fire is a tree. The fire\'s light causes the tree to cast a shadow on the wall before you. You call the shadow a \"tree\" because it is all you know, even though the true tree exists just behind you.

Now, take our cave... We have Enkidukai, who resemble cats. Yet we do not know that the ears, fur, and tails even do resemble a cat, since we do not know what a true cat is. Therefore, the cats we think of may be entirely different from the Upper Realm cats. Perhaps what we call a cat is, to the Upper Realm, a goat. Or perhaps we have it right. How can we tell? We can\'t.

And so, in theory, we can add anything to Planeshift and call it anything we\'d like, since we are our own seperate world, uninfluenced by any Upper Realm or outer source.


I have no idea what I just said, but I felt like I needed to say it. Perhaps someone out there needs it... like, maybe they forgot to study for a Philosophy test or something and it will help in some obscure way.

[Pestilence]

hmmm it\'s the language issue.

As we don\'t know things like cats and cows and what not in Yliakum names must have evolved differently. Ofcourse in reality I don\'t see them speaking english so depends how far you want to go I guess, but think you can\'t have everyone learn \"Yliakums\" before one can play

[derwoodly]

I was going to add more of my rantings but then I found this

http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=19017&boardid=13&styleid=3

The thread deterates rather quickly, but the fist part is on topic with this one.

[Draklar]

:O That\'s a nice thread over there, and nice conclusions in it.