Sinning and the Death Realm

[Nikodemus]

Yer, but then who can be considered brave warrior and who don\'t. Its same thing as with aligments, it all depends from a point of viev. I really don\'t know how you can build proper system for 100% of people.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Draklar
For a warrior killing in guildwars, fighting monsters, finished by dying during fight.

[Nikodemus]

Ok, then you will have to define really great amount of differet profesions: architects, miners, priests, politics, crafters and so with no end. Everybody will be put in different places of DR, maybe also treated different in it.
More, sometimes the differences beatwen one profesion and another is so weak, that one person will say warrior and another will say barbarian. At very close examination (and you will need it if you want this idea to see in game) you will realize it is so complex that it will take years to complete and another few to implement. Do we really need it?
Unless you are trying to create some crappy system, a group of false dogmas which will rule of someones fate. Dogmas like the one that earth is flat.

[goland]

The discussion of what would be punishable and what isn\'t would all depend on what the gods think should be.  This should be chosen by the creators of the game.  There is no reason the game needs to be PC.  The game has a group of gods that can be defined and these gods can feel certain ways about certain things.  It\'s all up to the designers of the game.  

It\'s not ethnocentric for a defined set of gods that are known to exist to act and react to things in a certain way.  I was giving examples in my original posts, but like I said previously, it all depends on how the gods are defined by the devs.

As Karyuu said, this stuff has been chosen to be kept a secret.  Until more information about the planeshift gods is released, this discussion will be, for the most part, speculation.  I wasn\'t aware of the secrecy of the mythology behind the gods when I started this thread.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Pip

Originally posted by zanzibar
See?  He didn\'t leave, just like I said.  No worries. (?)

Ethnocentrism means seeing all things in terms of only yourself and your own culture; declaring your own experiences as universal; etc. If I said \"Music\" means only mozart, jazz, and the beatles, then I\'m taking a rather ethnocentric approach because I\'m only looking at one culture but I\'m thinking as if that culture necessarily reflects all cultures.

Ethnocentrism means ignoring other cultures while considering your own culture to be universal.

Both Jorden and Janner have been deleted in game, don\'t expect them to come back.

Your definition sounds like a combination of egocentric and ethnocentric.

To generalize:

Ethnocentric = Culture
Egocentric = Personal gain


People keep saying they\'re leaving, and they keep coming back.  I don\'t know what the big deal is, it doesn\'t seem like a big deal to me.

Originally posted by Draklar

Originally posted by zanzibar
I believe in rational consequences, but through RP.  I think it would be hard to decide who is a brave warrior and who is a murderer.

For a warrior killing in guildwars, fighting monsters, finished by dying during fight. For a murderer killing a lot of other characters outside of guildwars.

Again, there\'s more to it than that.  Guildwars are hardly a good measure of the intentions behind an instance of PVP.

Originally posted by zanzibar
If I send someone else to do murders for me, am I not a murderer?  But how would the game mechanis pick up on it?

You seem to miss the point Yliakum\'s gods aren\'t all-powerful and all-knowing. If someone dies that might be noticable event, if someone talks rather not.

You can\'t have it both ways.




On Atheism in Planeshift:

There\'s still a variety with regards to how people view \"the gods\" of planeshift.  Are the Gods moral?  Do they define morality? Do they interfere in mortal affairs?  Should interfere in mortal awares?  Are they worthy of worship?  Are they worthy of disdain?  There are many attitudes people can take to the established dieties.  So while atheism might not be an option as it exists in real life society, there are still different ways to think of the same Gods, whatever the arbitrary truth of the matter happens to be.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Nikodemus
Ok, then you will have to define really great amount of differet profesions: architects, miners, priests, politics, crafters and so with no end. Everybody will be put in different places of DR, maybe also treated different in it.

I don\'t see why most of those professions shouldn\'t be put into \"normal\" part of Death Realm.

Originally posted by zanzibar
Again, there\'s more to it than that.  Guildwars are hardly a good measure of the intentions behind an instance of PVP.

Not all-powerful and not all-knowing. I don\'t think it\'s that hard to understand, is it? How many gods in politheistic religions had the power of knowing man\'s intentions?