Problem with High scores

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by r.guppy

By zanzibar
Ok. Let\'s say 50 people cheat their way to the top of the score table.

 Duh only room for 5.

By zanzibar
What freaking difference does it make?

 So you condone cheating.

What a stupid response.  If someone changes those stats, it makes NO difference to anyone else.  It hurts no one and nothing in any meaningful way.

[cyborgzero1]

i think one way of preventing  that is my making it so that when you develop skills in one area you develop certain advantages/disadvantages so that its easier to learn related skills and harder to learn skills that are far different. i don\'t know the technicalities right now but say using fire magic you need will stat, but the more fire magic you train in, the lower your charisma just by a little so that its harder to become good at dark magic(altho not impossible, just more difficult) which requires more charisma... i think in that way you could have the game keep a sense of balance of power. - i don\'t mean this literally but just trying to give the idea of what i\'m saying.

[Suno_Regin]

Originally posted by noXide
Ok I thought I\'d add my thoughts to this matter...

The Dual Point list is utterly pointless and can easily be manipulated. I for one think it promotes OOC dueling and powerlvlin just so some can have their name up there.

IMO the list should removed... or better yet DP until it has some purpose other than to show/brag how many newbs heads you\'ve bashed in.

Thus my three names will remain there

Originally posted by Suno_Regin
Those characters need deleted, seriously. >_>

*shrugs* you can make it your goal to have your name upon that list... But keep in mind - it\'ll be knocked off far quicker than you got it there

You don\'t care about the list, yet you have Kyixi duel your stat-edited GM Noxide, which gives about 50 points per kill. You can\'t say you don\'t care, if you spend that much time camping for points. I got mine the fair way (most duels were IC, others were to remove annoying spawn campers) and yet, my name is knocked off by people who camped their own GM characters with an alt to rack up points.

The way I see it is: Any character that was removed from the GM position, should have all stats, skills, points, etc. returned back to the way they were before they applied.

[BlackAcre]

Originally posted by zanzibar

Originally posted by r.guppy

By zanzibar
Ok. Let\'s say 50 people cheat their way to the top of the score table.

 Duh only room for 5.

By zanzibar
What freaking difference does it make?

 So you condone cheating.

What a stupid response.  If someone changes those stats, it makes NO difference to anyone else.  It hurts no one and nothing in any meaningful way.

Not to belabor the point, but it does effect someone\'s ability to fairly compete and rank high in the ratings.

Cheating isn\'t permissible for a reason.

[Karyuu]

I think Zanzibar agrees, but his main point is that the high scores table in itself doesn\'t affect anything at all. It\'s just private gloating that you\'re on some chart, as I said ;)

[Suno_Regin]

I don\'t think of it as just a chart, but I like to think of it as something I\'m finally good at. Duel Champ is like a title to me, that I fought against strong warriors and won, that I battled fierce competetors and I had overcome. Like I said, the way I got there was -almost- completely IC, but the way Kyixi got there, was camping his GM character.

[BlackAcre]

I\'m not terribly competitive myself, but damn, we\'ve got to have a game to distinguish this from an animated chatroom.  There is such a thing as taking the principle of role-playing too far to the detriment of what could be a decent game besides...But I hear what people are saying.

[Karyuu]

Being a great warrior should happen in-game, and I\'m glad that it does. But people should know about it from talking to others in-game, not from a completely OOC chart on a page that should be removed entirely.

As Acraig said, it was just something to do, a little fun something to aim for for a while when nothing else exciting was happening. But it has run its course, and was never meant to be serious. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to know how many points you have in this and that.

[r.guppy]

By Karyuu
I think Zanzibar agrees, but his main point is that the high scores table in itself doesn\'t affect anything at all. It\'s just private gloating that you\'re on some chart, as I said

 Then we disagree, to me it shows i have put a lot of hard work into helping people with there problems, It may be a bit vane of me and others but i am proud my name is there, for all who care to look.
 
 I am not forcing you or anyone to look at it , infact it has been [link wise] removed and only if someone tells you how to find it will you find it.

 Further if you cheat to get there others will soon know because i get more request for help on tells and chat than i do in help. Why ? Because i am trusted to give a honest Answer.

 I also stat that a lot of request for help on tells were a direct result of players looking at the list .

So they do serve a useful purpose.

[BlackAcre]

That makes sense to me (EDIT: What Karyuu said).  I suppose the ideal situation really is one where players form competitions in-game and call someone a winner based on their observable performance.  But the desire to compare ourselves to our peers is always going to be there.

[Drey]

Originally posted by r.guppy

By Karyuu
I think Zanzibar agrees, but his main point is that the high scores table in itself doesn\'t affect anything at all. It\'s just private gloating that you\'re on some chart, as I said

 Then we disagree, to me it shows i have put a lot of hard work into helping people with there problems, It may be a bit vane of me and others but i am proud my name is there, for all who care to look.

seen it done it got the t shirt, or at least a screenshot i can make into a shirt. here is one of my other shirts:

[noXide]

Originally posted by Suno_Regin
You don\'t care about the list, yet you have Kyixi duel your stat-edited GM Noxide, which gives about 50 points per kill. You can\'t say you don\'t care, if you spend that much time camping for points. I got mine the fair way (most duels were IC, others were to remove annoying spawn campers) and yet, my name is knocked off by people who camped their own GM characters with an alt to rack up points.

Hmmm bit late here

I don\'t care about the list. What I do care about is the means some go to, to have their name up there. *thought he made that clear*
 
And I didn\'t have Kyixi fight my GM, that would be an insane and a very stupid idea. But there you go jumping and pointing the finger again...
I had one of my IC characters \'yield\' to Kyixi, Xshii and Xeohna. As they were all new and my IC character was quite well trained, it didn\'t take too long.

[fireofsoul]

This thread is getting a bid ridiculous..

[Suno_Regin]

Originally posted by noXide

Originally posted by Suno_Regin
You don\'t care about the list, yet you have Kyixi duel your stat-edited GM Noxide, which gives about 50 points per kill. You can\'t say you don\'t care, if you spend that much time camping for points. I got mine the fair way (most duels were IC, others were to remove annoying spawn campers) and yet, my name is knocked off by people who camped their own GM characters with an alt to rack up points.

Hmmm bit late here

I don\'t care about the list. What I do care about is the means some go to, to have their name up there. *thought he made that clear*
 
And I didn\'t have Kyixi fight my GM, that would be an insane and a very stupid idea. But there you go jumping and pointing the finger again...
I had one of my IC characters \'yield\' to Kyixi, Xshii and Xeohna. As they were all new and my IC character was quite well trained, it didn\'t take too long.

So, what you\'re saying is, you made a character for Roleplaying who was well-trained, and constantly had them duel and yield to Kyixi until the points were through the roof? That isn\'t IC, and you can\'t say it is, because your true intentions were clearly to get to the top. >_>

[noXide]

I never said my points were obtained via RP and to RolePlay to obtain points is utterly insane Suno... wth?! Don\'t you get this... Stats&Numbers are completely OOC, the list is OOC and promotes OOC behaviour, there is no possible way to role play DP or the list you\'re on. Yet you havn\'t the intellect to grasp this.

My reasons for doing what I did were:
1. Because the way I saw how you reacted along time ago in this thread, over an OOC out-of-game ranking bored and your constant contradiction between RP and OOC ethics.

2. I want the list removed... Proving it is flawed or can be manipulated may help that process.

I\'m not the one fighting to prove my points were obtained ICly or can even been classed as IC... ;)