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[DaveG]

The /ooc command idea keeps popping up, and I am extremely against it.  Using parens/brackets or changing the color does nothing.  It\'s a purely superficial change, and in fact does the exact opposite of what we want to do.  It encourages OOC chat by legitimizing it.  Players simply need to stay IC.  Putting a pretty bow on the OOC chat doesn\'t fix anything.

The only valid OOC chat, is that directly about the game itself.  (bugs, etc.)  In those situations, you should just break character and talk about it freely, and not take things too seriously.  Just move the conversation out of the way if it is.  (these conversations pop up in the plaza from time to time, and it\'s not a big deal; just keep it confined to there, and don\'t interfere with the game)  Most OOC should just be held in tells, help, and group/guild chat.

One compromise I might consider would be creating an OOC channel which does not show in \'all\'.  (move the combat messages out, too)  That keeps it out altogether, but it still legitimizes it.  I\'d prefer a better solution if someone could come up with one.  In my opinion, using parens for occasional OOC while in an IC situation is fine for now.

[Vjorin]

Ah cool, lots of responses.

DeathsAngel: I know how that goes.  Usually it isn\'t too hard to explain such things ICly.  In less extreme instances, sometimes we just ignore the fact.  When I play PlaneShift, I tend to pay more attention to the text rather than too much attention to minor movements of not yet perfect player models anyways.  Even so, some times it\'s fun to get away with explaining funny glitches in the game, and even typos.

BlackAcre: I\'m with you, though, I\'m not sure where you were going with the Ultima Online thing though.

Kiern: At the risk of throwing more fuel on the fire...can I ask why you bother posting on these boards when you don\'t have anything to do with the game? Furthermore, I WAS flamming, I WAS calling a select few people ignorant, but not just because they don\'t role play, but because they have to drag other people down when they do it.  I am also trying to bring up a few good points, that I believe are worth while to explore.  If you\'re going to call me an idiot, do it without sitting there telling me I\'m so bad for doing the same.

Karyuu: With you all the way there.  Though, I\'m not really upset with Kiern.  I just tend to voice what I want to say.  I don\'t like him, sure, but I\'m not going to waste too much on getting upset with someone I don\'t know.

fuiloco: Again, I\'m not trying to target newbies here.  It\'s hard to take in so much as a new player, and it\'s enough just to figure out the darn slash commands.

DaveG: I\'m with you there.  At any rate, there needs to be something to help out the GMs and the players who want what the game\'s for.

Well, for now, I ran out of words.

[Xordan]

Kiern rocks.

And; if you don\'t like people being ooc... then rp them away, or rp them as madmen... or something... It\'s what I do Treat \'em like dirt! \\o/

[Kiern]

Originally posted by Vjorin
Kiern: At the risk of throwing more fuel on the fire...can I ask why you bother posting on these boards when you don\'t have anything to do with the game? Furthermore, I WAS flamming, I WAS calling a select few people ignorant, but not just because they don\'t role play, but because they have to drag other people down when they do it.  I am also trying to bring up a few good points, that I believe are worth while to explore.  If you\'re going to call me an idiot, do it without sitting there telling me I\'m so bad for doing the same.

Why does it matter why I come here, what does it have to do with the topic at hand?  I\'m not going to evaluate the reasons I have for coming here, I just do.  You can PM me and I\'ll make a list for you if you really want me to, I don\'t see why you would care though.

I\'ve RPed a few times in the past, on boards and such, there\'s really not much relating to \"IC\" on message boards...and yet we were able to carry on fine.  My first post states almost exactly what you said as far as what I got from your post.  And yet you felt the need to lump me in with those \"ignorant\" people because I defended them.  As far as I know, flaming threads are generally not allowed, since that is the rules.  Because this thread flamed a particular type of person that most people around here hate I thought this would more then likely become a person-bashing thread, especially since you named names.  I don\'t like that.  So I defended them, so that people here would be more cautious about what they\'re posting here.

If you\'re going to bring up points, do so without the flaming and you\'ll get more done, but like I said people are going to do what they want whether you like it or not.  And posting a thread flaming them isn\'t a great way to deal with it.

Also, as I said, I was going to edit out the idiot thing because I didn\'t really mean it...but then the dude quoted me.  So eh.

[Vjorin]

Instead of down-playing everything I say, why don\'t you try and add to the pool of ideas people are giving and try to lend a hand.  If you don\'t have anything to add that would help out the game, please don\'t post on this thread.

[Induane]

What the heck is it with people who play this game and don?t follow what an RPG is supposed to mean and is intended for? There are a few select people ( Esperado, Leler, etc? ) who just don?t get the concept of this game. I mean, is it so much to ask to use the freekin? brackets, or parenthesis, or other means to designate between IC and OOC? Is it so much to ask to not be such a dork, and not exist for the sole purpose of pissing people off?

To each his own I suppose and to each his own opinion as well, but take that advice for yourself.  I\'ve never been really bothered by lack of bracket use, or parenthesis.  In my self relative position, I think that people who are so so uber completely ferociously serious about RP that they get actually angry when someone who doens\'t share their intests in RP and makes a mistake, are the ones who are extreme.  Remember that not everyone is a hardcore RP\'r and forgive them - I doubt that they are making a hardcore attempt to be rude to you.  See, for me I place a difference between intentional bothering and unintentional bothering.  For me its all about intent - if someone means to be annoying I\'ll be a bit more upset about it than when a person is doing something unwittingly annoying or wrong.  Geesh give the people a break - we can\'t all be uber super RP\'rs like yourself sorry!

If you don\'t have anything to add that would help out the game, please don\'t post on this thread.

I really am trying to help - I think the game works better when people don\'t get so derned upset about stuff that isn\'t really all that important in the big scheme of things.  I\'m just saying, calm down, enjoy the game, and live with the influx of people that no rules will solve.  The game is free for everyone to enjoy, including people who aren\'t big on RP, its just a fact of the game and life - deal with it (in a nice way )

[Cha0s]

I personally have no problems when people forget or make mistakes. As long as it isn\'t habitual, it\'s fine if you forget brackets once in a while. However, when people know that they should use brackets (see the Player Policy) and knowingly do not because they either disagree with the policy or are too lazy to, I get a bit annoyed. I never lash out at people who don\'t use brackets (I usually just send them a short tell requesting that they do), but people who habitually refuse to use brackets when told to shouldn\'t complain if they end up muted or banned (there is no set policy on punishment yet, but there hopefully will be soon).

On a separate note, the Player Policy really should be a required and should be added to the login screen for first-time logins.

[BlackAcre]

Sometimes my non-sequitors have the ability to make even myself laugh.  I\'m not at all sure where I was going with the ultima online thing, either.  I think I was just trying to show how the real and virtual worlds collide.  Poor analogy, however.

[Vjorin]

Originally posted by BlackAcre
Sometimes my non-sequitors have the ability to make even myself laugh.  I\'m not at all sure where I was going with the ultima online thing, either.  I think I was just trying to show how the real and virtual worlds collide.  Poor analogy, however.

Lol, okay, I see what you were meaning with that now, in reference to people spending real money for in game stuff.  A good deal of that happens in Diablo 2 as well.

As for the responses about me complaining about brackets...

That really wasn\'t the root of my complaint.  I\'m whining and being all flammy about the few people who really go nuts and go out of their way to make the game unpleasant for other people. I mentioned the quote above about the guy using the /me command to say \"[Player Name] -bleeps- your mom.\" ... only without the bleep, and not just once, but to spam the heck out of my chat window.

And no, the name has not been protected.

Unfortunately it would be a good idea if they were Post edited and names removed.. -Karyuu

[Bakuun]

I have received no reports nor petitions concerning that player, though I believe the /report command is currently either on vacation, or struggling with a few suitcases ;) The best and quickest way to get help is with a petition.

I will attempt to catch that player in-game and see if a few things can be resolved. From now on, however, it would be best if no names were mentioned - as this is information that should go only to GMs.

[Ekusile Feyorel]

wow!! ..... I see now, thats why I sometimes got chats with [ ] around it. I thought it was a typing bug

[Vjorin]

I do not remember the GMs name who assisted me, but it was in response to my petition.  Later on that day, my friend discovered the report command.  At a later date, there was an instance to which I did a \'/report\' on the said person.  Perhaps the command is indeed broken then?

[defender43]

Umm, is it allowed to, when a newbie asks me a question such as the following, is doing this okay? SRN stands for \"Some Random Newbie\"

SRN shouts: I\'m new to this game, where are the sewers?
You tell SRN: [use brackets when speaking OOC and I\'ll tell you.] \"What game, is it gambling? A fighting game?\"
SRN says: tell me noob!
You tell SRN: [please use brackets for OOC chat and please don\'t insult me!] \"What does \'noob\' mean?\"
SRN says: **** you stupid noob!
You tell SRN: \"Now, let\'s not get disrespectful. And what does noob mean, anyway?\"
... dot dot dot ...

Is that allowed? Or are the GMs shouting at me \"Veangence is not for you, but for the GMs your GMs.\"?

I want to help out, but I don\'t want to be breaking the rules. They typically don\'t listen if you tell \'em once...

[Karyuu]

It\'s quite awesome that you\'re letting people know brackets must be in use when talking OOCly, but as seen, it can be problematic when you try to reply to their OOC questions in an IC way ;) This was mentioned in quite a few discussions before, with the same result. Since they are asking about the game as players, not as characters, it would be much nicer if you could answer back as you the player who could help them out, too. It usually eliminates a lot of the conflict right from the start.

[defender43]

Err... my question was if it\'s ALLOWED. And anyways, it\'s fun tormenting people too rude to follow the rules after several warnings...