group invites

[Hirogurth]

I would like to be able to ask more people to join my group before group spamming comes in maybe like two or three at one time.

WHY

because I was talking to a couple guys for 10-15 min. and decided to go hunting with them so I invited one them and then the other boom struck down by laanx for invite spamming and now have -10.00 advisor points!

[Karyuu]

...Wow. That\'s a really messed up system, then. There should be no reason at all to wait an entire minute before inviting people (who accept!) to a group, each time. Depending on how many people you want in, that would mean some 10 minutes of pure waiting before actually doing anything.

This needs a fix.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Hirogurth
I would like to be able to ask more people to join my group before group spamming comes in maybe like two or three at one time.

WHY

because I was talking to a couple guys for 10-15 min. and decided to go hunting with them so I invited one them and then the other boom struck down by laanx for invite spamming and now have -10.00 advisor points!

IT WASN\'T ME


IT WASN\'T ME

I SWEAR TO TALAD I DIDN\'T MAKE THIS THREAD.

[DaveG]

Originally posted by Karyuu
...Wow. That\'s a really messed up system, then. There should be no reason at all to wait an entire minute before inviting people (who accept!) to a group, each time.

If people accept, there is no waiting.  I have said this a billion times, and people keep complaining anyway:  This system only cares about denys.  You can invite all you want if people accept.  The system is completely bypassed if the last invite was accepted.  If you\'re locked out, you can also just have the other person invite.

People keep forgetting the fact that someone denied an invite.  (The system originally locked you out for 5min, even for the first.)  If you got \"stuck down\", you\'ve been denied 3 times without any accepts after enough time.

Please also be aware, that this system doesn\'t forget about you.  If your last effect was a kill, and come back a day later, and get another deny, be prepared for another kill.  This is the part that probably gets most people, and I\'d like to know why I haven\'t got any complaints about it in 8 months...

[zanzibar]

1.  The system hasn\'t been in place for 8 months.

2.  I know for a fact that people have made complaints.

[DaveG]

Originally posted by zanzibar
1.  The system hasn\'t been in place for 8 months.

>.< ... typo, meant since the begining of October... which is only 8 months ago when you can\'t count.    Yeah... almost 5 months.  Still a long time, still haven\'t gotten any complaints from anyone other than you and Suno.  (and this)

[Hirogurth]

but I wasn\'t denied three times in a row the first person I asked said yes and then I asked the SECOND only second person and I got struck down.

[Karyuu]

DaveG, you\'re being unnecessarily obstinate about it. A person could start inviting people to a group, when one says in the middle of an invite, \"Ah crap, have to go take care of something, hold on\" and declines. The group leader then has to what, wait five minutes before inviting the rest of the party members? What an absolute hassle.

[DaveG]

1 minute for first, 5 for second.

I\'m getting annoyed because people are saying \"blah just happens\" when it doesn\'t.  And, everyone has forgotten how bad the spam problem was before this system.

[Karyuu]

My mistake! ^^

Then I\'m really sorry for not understanding this immediately, but where are all these penalties coming from?

As I remember:

- Penalties now increase with each decline:
1) 1 min lockout
2) 5 min + warning
3) 10 min + 10 advisor point fine + 10 duel point fine, if duel spam + death
4) 30 point fine(s) + death + kick from server
- Penalties expire with gameplay time, and can be lowered by getting an accept from a player with no penalties and a enough advisor points.
- Penalty level is saved to the player\'s account entry in the database, so repeat offenders can\'t escape it. (relog resets to 3rd level).............

The original poster of this thread wrote:

I was talking to a couple guys for 10-15 min [...]

Surely that\'s enough time for all penalties to cease so that inviting is enabled again? Hirogurth, during those 10-15 minutes, did you get any declines for other invitations you might have made?


I simply have no idea what\'s going on at this point.

[r.guppy]

My thoughts are it is the big pockets of lag we are getting that is some how to blame, if i jump once and a big lag happens my stamina flys down on only one jump, if i move it starts to clime again.
 Messages are missing or delayed so long that you lose track of what you are doing, all down to big lags

[DaveG]

r.guppy:  As I already said somewhere else, you can\'t blame any of this on lag.  The server isn\'t that fragile when it comes to things like this.  There\'s one question object on the server, and regardless of what network junk happens between you and Singapore, only one will be dealt with.

Originally posted by me, way back when
.... (relog resets to 3rd level) ....

Ok, I\'m fond of compromises, so here\'s a simple solution to the whining which I can consent to:  Change that to a two.  That\'ll remove some of the persistence of the system in a very simple way, and prevent people from getting up to the point of a kill as easily from old spamPoints.

[Karyuu]

That still doesn\'t explain why the poster got a penalty after inviting once a 10-15 minute conversation took place. Seems like the only thing to have legitimized those penalties is another invite of whatever sort that happened during the conversation - but if no such thing happened, then something is amiss..?

Moreover, he was able to invite one person with no problems - the person accepted and became part of the group - but then he sent out another invite (which should have bypassed the system as you said, since it was an accept) and received a penalty. So what exactly is happening?

[DaveG]

That\'s why these threads are always annoying, there isn\'t enough information posted to honestly know what happened.

[r.guppy]

r.guppy: As I already said somewhere else, you can\'t blame any of this on lag. The server isn\'t that fragile when it comes to things like this. There\'s one question object on the server, and regardless of what network junk happens between you and Singapore, only one will be dealt with.

  I can and will explain why i think so.

  you invite, big lag invite still on screen sever has clocked it out , you except dosent register because system has registered it time out.

 End result you have a minus to your credit system wise but you still end up grouped.

 Hope that is plane and under stand-able.