Your 3 most hated THINGS

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by ThomPhoenix
People eat meat, animals eat meat, it\'s part of the circle of life! That\'s what I meant, rape isn\'t part of the circle of life. When I said that eating meat is natural I didn\'t immediately imply that every kind of animal or human behaviour is natural or good too. Look, let\'s just drop this, okay?

Rape used to be part of the circle of life too.  It was responsible for procreation.

[fken]

1) people who believe in wrong things someone told them and who force people to think like them (for example Americans are stupid, Italianer are hot and Frenches are proud)

2) the way our society is destructing everything / the way people doesnt care about each others

3) everyone who have bad behaviours in front of my mother nature...

[Kiern]

Originally posted by HarenaAbdolor
I\'m sorry but schooling in America is really bad.  I think it is both a societal, moral, and political failure really.  Kids today in America do not generally care about doing their best.  The majority that I have known are cheaters that would do anything to get ahead without doing any work.  Many are also ignorant and feel like they have to give their brainless opinion on everything even though they don\'t understand it... Abortion, gay rights, cloning, etc.
There are certainly people in America who are not brainless idiots, but unfortunately they are not shown.  It is the people that the inteligent Americans complain about, that the rest of the world also complains about.
It isn\'t their fault that those people exist.  I personally blame the capitalist nature of the govenment that drives the moral decline.  

I\'m sorry for the long rant. ^.^\' Bad day you know, but that is how I feel... unrestrained.

-Harena

You can argue that all you want, but I said it all depends on where you live, not that the schools here aren\'t bad.  I\'ve lived in the US all my life, and have never been in a poor school system, all I was saying is that there are places you can go where that will not be a problem.  I\'m not speaking in terms of \"all of the US\".

And Capitalism usually makes people try harder to be the best, your argument is all over the place.  I could go on and on about the rest of your post but I won\'t change your mind on any of the other things.  Let\'s just say you have the exact opposite views of politics and the society then me and I\'ll leave it at that.  And suggested reading.

[zanzibar]

The thing about America is that it\'s divided.  You have the LA area, the New York area, and the Chicago area.  These are centers of art, intellectualism, and modernism.

Then you have the rest of it.  The \"south\", the \"middle America\".  It\'s conservative, fundamentalist, even anti-intellectual at times.

Let\'s call the first part \"blue states\", for no real reason except to identify them.  Let\'s call the latter area \"red states\", just because red is a different colour from blue.

There are other differences too.  Fundamentalist Christianity, racism, and illiteracy are more common in the red states.  Secularism, multiculturalism, and high art are more common in the blue states.

So yes, to say that all Americans are \"stupid\" is not a good thing to say.  It\'s just certain demographics of them.

[BrotherCaine]

zanzibar, I see that you list Fundamental Christianity along with racism and illiteracy.  I\'m not sure I\'d have the courage to make that parallel.  I\'m not sure that anti-intellectualism confines itself to red states; I\'d guess it\'s about equal.  One thing you are missing is divorce in your stats.  Nine of the top ten divorce states are red states.

ThomPhoenix,  Here are some sites that are non-vegetarian from which you can estimate the relative value of soy vs. beef.  I particularly like the first link, which tells us days of protein requirements per acre of use. 2224 soy vs. 77 beef.
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:V7wuAuizsZ0J:www.spcouncil.org/ecofutur.html+protein+per+acre+soy+vs+wheat&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=firefox-a
http://www.ext.nodak.edu/extpubs/ansci/beef/eb74w.htm
http://www.oznet.ksu.edu/library/agec2/mf2123.pdf

I am no longer a vegetarian, but I cannot defend my meat eating ways from an environmental or moral perspective.

Eating meat may be natural in the context of a hunter-gatherer society, but in a post-agricultural society it is somewhat ridiculous.  Very few of us exert enough energy on a day to day basis to justify our extreme caloric intake.  This applies not just to meat, but also to processed foods loaded with high-fructose corn syrup.

Of particular interest to me when I was a vegetarian was the fact that mushrooms have a higher density of protein by weight than beef.

[zanzibar]

Milk and meat are not a source of good nutrition.  There\'s just so much marketting and propoganda, that most people have been fooled.

[Jakob]

1. Freshman (though in all fairness there are 5 that I would put my life on the line to protect in a class of abou 2 or 3 hundred.  The rest of them should be let lose in an open field for Juniors and Seniors to hunt, or better yet given to Shai\'Hulud for judgement...)
2. Written language (It\'s hard enough to display the proper connotations and annotations in face to face communications, although I am an English weenie and love nothing more than talking and writing)
3. Runescape (need I say more?)

@This irrational bias against Americans because of our education and political systems...  You must keep in mind that though we are not the melting pot we wish we were we still are made up primarily of ex-Europeans.  Also, keep in mind that our government and country is still in its younger stages in the passages of time.  When was the last time you met a 5 year old that didn\'t grate on your nerves fairly often that wasn\'t you child?  And yes we do like to stick our noses in where they don\'t belong as the number of us who have replied have proven.  Don\'t get me wrong I\'m not supporting many of the things our government has done but blaming the people for this is unfair imature and as the Canadian comedy \"The Red Green Show\" stated most of the worlds wars have started because of immature people who are too close together.

[HarenaAbdolor]

I never expected to see such a heated political debate of american issues on PS.

I stick by what I have said however, because I have had the experience of knowing a very terrible school district.  I realize that it is not all over the place.  But where I live it is horrible.  Teachers are underpaid and the FCAT is always a big issue.

The state I live in is the 48 in education out of 50 states.  I\'m sorry if I feel that the system has failed me.  I just resent the fact that in Europe there are people my age who can speak 4 languages fluently and I\'m barely able to order a meal in spanish... the only other language besides English that I know.

*breathes*

The reason I have something against capitalism is because it is not used as it should be.  Instead of bettering the lives of people all across the classes, it simply serves to widen the gap between the richest and the poorest people in the USA.  Also with capitalism vs. socialism the poor and lowerclass are not as taken care of.  People can also \"work the system\" and take advantage of the government to great extents.  To ignore these problems would be tragic in most cases.

I have nothing against the people.  I am one of them.  I just want to find the flaws and correct them as best as we possibly can.  After all, our history has always called for us to do so.

Harena

[davo]

lmao how can you hate america, considering it is one of the best countries in the world, i wouldent mind living there, and i would certainly be proud to be an american if i was one (and i dont give a damn what george bush was doing or the education system cause that has nothing to do with pride).

Obviously i think australia is the best country because i am an aussie and itds the only country to whome i belong, but america is still good.

I dont think anyone has ever hated countries \\those muslim countries or any poor countries/violent ones.

i guess hating muslim countries would aparently be \'racist\' so no one goes there lol.

[ Edited for language. --Karyuu ]

[nightstalian]

Dude.  You said that eating meat is good because it\'s natural.  Well, rape is natural.  Are you saying that rape is a good thing?  No, you aren\'t.  No one in their right mind is.

Being natural doesn\'t make something good.
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to bring more fact on the wild it isn\'t rape, it is how they mate, almost all animals do it that way.

Originally posted by zanzibar
Milk and meat are not a source of good nutrition.  There\'s just so much marketting and propoganda, that most people have been fooled.

that is where you are wrong, Meat provides us with source of protein, good calories and fat  which the body needs to matian healthy. Plus soy and soy related products are more expensive then most meat atleast where I live.

and on topic
1.people who think animals are our equals. Heres the thing they lost that when we discover how to use fire, for the sciencetific comunity, or when God declared us to rule over them and use there flesh to fed us etc, for the Jew, Chirstian, and Muslim societies out there
2. Bush
3.Bush supporters

[Reor]

1. Extremely self-involved people
2. Intolerance (Yes, I know that by saying so I\'m being intolerant but... *shrugs* I\'ll worry about it at a later stage of my life   hmm... that being said, I guess I should\'ve included hypocrisy on my list. Unfortunately there\'s no room)
3. And finally: Finland losing the olympic gold to Canada in curling  =(

[Sharakaz]

vegetarism
... is a bad thing. We western countries have a society where the amount of farms is decreasing. The products have to compete to have best prices. To do so they have to optimize their production.
To optimize this production you have to use chemicals(to accelerate growth, limit height, eliminate bacterium, etc..). These chemicals are pretty bad to the environments. They pollute the water supply and if they get in contact with water environments you could very easily have a luring danger for extermination of big sealife-isotopes.

This has happened very many places around here in Denmark. The rivers and a heckload of lakes around spread all over the place all signs of fish has vanished. All because of the greedy farmers..

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Jakob
This irrational bias against Americans because of our education and political systems.

When you put it that way, it doesn\'t sound so irrational.

There\'s more to it than that though.... think Haiiti, Cuba, Veneuzualla, Iraq, Iran, vietnam, The Taliban, Guatamalla, Cuba, Chile..... the CIA has been a blessing to the world I tell you.

Originally posted by nightstalian
that is where you are wrong, Meat provides us with source of protein, good calories and fat  which the body needs to matian healthy. Plus soy and soy related products are more expensive then most meat atleast where I live.

No, because the way people eat meat is incredibly unhealthy.  Plus, meat and meat products contain complex carbohydrates that we can\'t properly digest, and there\'s all the chemicals and steroids and pus and blood and disease.  Give me a plate full of tofu any day!

(And if you think that soy is too expensive... tell that to the Chinese!)

Originally posted by nightstalian
and on topic
1.people who think animals are our equals. Heres the thing they lost that when we discover how to use fire, for the sciencetific comunity, or when God declared us to rule over them and use there flesh to fed us etc, for the Jew, Chirstian, and Muslim societies out there

4.  Religious fundamentalists.
5.  Pseudo-science.
6.  Social-Darwinism.

Originally posted by Reor
1. Extremely self-involved people
2. Intolerance (Yes, I know that by saying so I\'m being intolerant but... *shrugs* I\'ll worry about it at a later stage of my life   hmm... that being said, I guess I should\'ve included hypocrisy on my list. Unfortunately there\'s no room)
3. And finally: Finland losing the olympic gold to Canada in curling  =(

Yeah, well we lost men\'s hockey so it all evens out in the end.

Originally posted by Sharakaz
vegetarism
... is a bad thing. We western countries have a society where the amount of farms is decreasing. The products have to compete to have best prices. To do so they have to optimize their production.

Vegetarianism has nothing to do with it.  The problems are:

i)  Globalization
ii) Corporations that are out competing smaller operations.
iii)  Over-fishing.
iv)  Environmental damage.
v)  The fact that it isn\'t a sustainable industry in the first place.

[HarenaAbdolor]

Can we NOT bring god into this?!!! Baseing your justifications on religion are not well founded when people do not share the same ideology.  So please keep that in mind.

Harena

[Celebrimor]

This thread\'s name should be changed to \"nonsensical rambling on diverse subjects\" or something like that... >_>