Your 3 most hated THINGS

[Induane]

I hate spam too, used to eat it all the time as a kid but now.. blech

1. Spam
2. meaning this thread
3. meaning people like you

Meaning?  Do you mean meeting?  Meanness?

[burned man]

Originally posted by Induane
I hate spam too, used to eat it all the time as a kid but now.. blech

1. Spam
2. meaning this thread
3. meaning people like you

Meaning?  Do you mean meeting?  Meanness?

I don\'t answer vikings, they are illiterate

[Zan]

Says the lesser hydlaa citizen ...

[burned man]

you clearly didn\'t get the joke zan...

[lanser]

Originally posted by zanzibar

Originally posted by lanser
Since you didn\'t answer my question directly does that mean the because the theft did not leave as big a \"footprint\" on the victim as the rape itself it is ok?

I answered your question directly.

err no you didn\'t answer directly you said something about marshmallows the question was phrased using one of your analogies

During a rape some jewellery is stolen, would you buy the jewellery? If not then with your point of view why buy leather?

and your reply was

Nope. Eating a marshmellow which contains gelatin does not leave the same environmental footprint as eating a steak.

[Cyl]

This is a pure speculation, if it would be scientifically proven that plants endure pain, on a similar or greater level then we or other animals do, would you insist that humans starve to death, just because they cannot get away without feasting on something?

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by lanser
err no you didn\'t answer directly you said something about marshmallows the question was phrased using one of your analogies

I answered your question directly.  It\'s extremely difficult to not have any kind of footprint, but there are things you can do to make your footprint smaller.

Having the same leather wallet for ten years does not have the same footprint as eating meat for the same amount of time.  Therefore while having a leather wallet might support the meat industry in some small way, it is not at all \'exactly the same\'.

Originally posted by Cyl
This is a pure speculation, if it would be scientifically proven that plants endure pain, on a similar or greater level then we or other animals do, would you insist that humans starve to death, just because they cannot get away without feasting on something?

That\'s a stupid question, because plants do not endure pain.  Period.

[Valbrandr]

Zanzibar.. the more you go on.. the more you sound like a hypocrite.  If you care so much about the well being of animals.. dont use any products that are gathered through the injuring/hurting of any animal.  And be consistant.

[Induane]

Maybe we could feast on rocks! Remember to story of the Stone Soup?

burned up dude:

Illiterate: not able to read or write

Prove that.

Meaning? Do you mean meeting? Meanness?

^note sarcasm!

This is a pure speculation, if it would be scientifically proven that plants endure pain, on a similar or greater level then we or other animals do, would you insist that humans starve to death, just because they cannot get away without feasting on something?

An interesting question.  How far do we go with that mentality?  Should we diminish our own existance as a consequence?

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Valbrandr
Zanzibar.. the more you go on.. the more you sound like a hypocrite.  If you care so much about the well being of animals.. dont use any products that are gathered through the injuring/hurting of any animal.  And be consistant.

It\'s like you haven\'t been reading my posts.

[burned man]

Originally posted by Induane
Maybe we could feast on rocks! Remember to story of thje Stone Soup?

burned up dude:

Illiterate: not able to read or write

Prove that.

Meaning? Do you mean meeting? Meanness?

^note sarcasm!

This is a pure speculation, if it would be scientifically proven that plants endure pain, on a similar or greater level then we or other animals do, would you insist that humans starve to death, just because they cannot get away without feasting on something?

An interesting question.  How far do we go with that mentality?  Should we diminish our own existance as a consequence?

induane you are officially insane, how many pc\'s do they have at the mental institute arizona for vikins?

[Zan]

@ Zanzibar

It\'s like you counter any decent argument with \"You don\'t understand what I\'m talking about!\" Such a mature intelligent discussion, this.

Yeah I know I said I wouldn\'t jump into this argument again but this is too much fun to leave alone.

@ Burned man

Maybe you didn\'t get my joke

[Cyl]

Originally posted by zanzibar

Originally posted by Cyl
This is a pure speculation, if it would be scientifically proven that plants endure pain, on a similar or greater level then we or other animals do, would you insist that humans starve to death, just because they cannot get away without feasting on something?

That\'s a stupid question, because plants do not endure pain.  Period.

Well it is a pure Hypothetical question. What if? Let\'s formulate it in another way. What if the human race wouldnt have the choice to hurt something, of which they know that it endures pain, or to hurt something, of which they belive that it doesnt endure pain. The only avaible option in this case would be to hurt to survive.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Zan
@ Zanzibar

It\'s like you counter any decent argument with \"You don\'t understand what I\'m talking about!\"

Not at all.  I\'ve answered every question so far up to that last one, and it seemed that V. truly did not read (understand, whatever) what I posted.

That gives me three options:

-repeat myself
-paraphrase myself
-suggest that he rereads what I wrote

Originally posted by Cyl
Well it is a pure Hypothetical question. What if? Let\'s formulate it in another way. What if the human race wouldnt have the choice to hurt something, of which they know that it endures pain, or to hurt something, of which they belive that it doesnt endure pain. The only avaible option in this case would be to hurt to survive.

It might be hypothetical, but it\'s also irrelevant.

\"Hunting\" would be the only means of survival only if you defined agriculture as hunting.

[Induane]

induane you are officially insane, how many pc\'s do they have at the mental institute arizona for vikins?

Well, quite a few actually -all with T3 connections! Yay!  AND all of ours have spellcheck for illiterate people like me. j/k

Anyways insanity is what you make it.  You are free to disagree with my personal opinions, but just because you didn\'t get my little bit of humor doesn\'t make me insane.

That\'s a stupid question, because plants do not endure pain. Period.

Prove animals \"endure\" pain, and that their response to trauma isn\'t merely instinctive or a natural reaction that isn\'t related to feelings.  As I said before plants react to trauma, just not in the exact same way.  Because certain animals emote it in a way more like humans do you seem to think that that makes it wrong.  I\'m not saying I believe plants suffer anguish, only saying you really can\'t prove it any more than you can prove that animals truely really expirence things the way we do.  

So lets have it.  Do you want more agriculture?  Less meat consumption? - What are your exact beliefs on :

1.) Agriculture - Explain why you think there should be more or less of it.

2.) Consumption of animal products - Explain why you think there should be less or more of this.