Fishing, Swimming and Polearm/Spear...

[clint8565]

My idea is for a way that fishing, swimming and polearm/spear can all be implemented.

Fishing is described as: \'Trains on how to catch fish, what pole or bait to use, what time of day makes for the best catch.\'
This leads me to believe that you can\'t \'interactively\' fish, but it sounds good for surface fishing.

Swimming I think is perfect, since everyone knows you have to be taught how to swim and then try it yourself. If you just jump in a lake, chances are you\'ll drown. If you just learn about it, chances are when you need to swim you will suck very badly... and your chances of drowning are only slightly less than if you knew nothing.
On the technical side of swimming, I think the jump and sit buttons could be used for going up and down and the arrow/wasd keys would move like normal.

Polearm/Spear sounds good too by itself.

Now to throw them all together...
I think it\'d be good if you could use your polearm/spear to fish. (By the way this is best for the Nolthrir, Klyros and Kran races, the others would need extreme swimming skill to stay under long enough) You could dive underwater and find some fish. You pull out your polearm/spear and begin to \'fish.\' It\'d basically be like attacking, except it would only work with a polearm/spear and you don\'t totally obliterate the fish lol. The swimming skill would act like a bonus ontop if your stats so it\'d be like you have two agility stats. You would then proceed to thrust at the fish with your polearm/spear, which would train you in the polearm/spear skill. The fish would have health and each successful thrust would hurt the fish, like fighting, you would do more damage with higher polearm/spear skill as well. The fishing skill would still be most important though, it could be used for accuracy(that\'s what I\'ll call it...), when thrusting at the fish you would have to know where to hit it in order to preserve the precious fillet. The higher your fishing skill the higher the quailty(you know, that handy little 1.0 that sits at the top of every description screen) of the fish you \'catch\'.

Examples:
Polearm/spear master goes fishing(underwater) -> catches a ripped up thing that may have been a fish at one point(quality ~0.1)
Fishing master goes fishing(underwater) -> catches a pristine fish after a very long time(little damage because no polearm/spear skill) with only the head damaged(nobody eats the head)(quality ~1.0)
Fishing and Polearm/spear master goes fishing(underwater) -> catches a pristine fish quickly with only the head damaged(still, nobody eats the head, except the cheeks..)(quality ~1.0)

So what do you guys think? Good, bad, piece of crap that will be deleted instantly?

[Stephen McNaire]

Originally posted by clint8565

Swimming I think is perfect, since everyone knows you have to be taught how to swim and then try it yourself. If you just jump in a lake, chances are you\'ll drown.

Actually, it\'s a proven technique to toss someone into the deep water to teach him or her how to swim. I\'ve never seen a person that couldn\'t do the doggie paddle:p. Learning how to swim properly so you can last for long distances is another thing of course.

[clint8565]

Originally posted by Stephen McNaire

Originally posted by clint8565

Swimming I think is perfect, since everyone knows you have to be taught how to swim and then try it yourself. If you just jump in a lake, chances are you\'ll drown.

Actually, it\'s a proven technique to toss someone into the deep water to teach him or her how to swim. I\'ve never seen a person that couldn\'t do the doggie paddle:p. Learning how to swim properly so you can last for long distances is another thing of course.

lol well yeah, but they still tell them what to do first but that\'s what I meant by you have to be told how to do it and then try it to really learn. They say kick your arms and legs and stuff and then throw you in lol
But yeah proper swimming for speed and distance is a bit more indepth in the first stage than just kick around and try not to drown

[Celebrimor]

I would really like the idea of using spears for underwater fishing. Don\'t think I\'d do it myself, but I can easily imagine a Nolthir doing it, and Im sure Nolthir players would love it. It would definitely need fishing skills besides the spear skill, but I think it should be more focused on the fishing ones, since mastering the use of the spear is necesary for fighting with it, but for fishing I think basic to medium knowledge would suffice.

[clint8565]

exactly... unless you plan on fishing for dangerous underwater creatures, then you may want to up your spear skill a bit, but you wouldn\'t get anywhere without the fishing skill since you are fishing after all lol

[Celebrimor]

What about, you learn fishing, and keep improving your fishing skills to the point where you kow how most efectively lure a fish and kill it, and are able to use that knowledge along with your weapon handling skills (with a fishing friendly weapon, hammers for example wouldn\'t be a useable weapon for that) you\'d be able to fish using your weapons. All this translating to: you can start using weapons to fish when your fishing skill lvl hits {place skill level here}. I would also say you can start using long weapons such as spear around lvl 10 (could be less, just giving a number). Then as your skill level increases and if there are any available, you could use thin swords (because broad swords wouldn\'t work) like a sabre, of course your sword level should also be higher, as it is more difficult to fish with shorter weapons. Then when you become real good you could use knives and daggers, again, being skilled in the use of such weapons. And finally, when you\'re near the mastery of fishing skill, you could be able to catch a fish bare handed (having max, or near max skill lvl in unarmed combat too, of course).
What do you think about this weapon use progression.

[nightstalian]

Originally posted by clint8565
My idea is for a way that fishing, swimming and polearm/spear can all be implemented.

Fishing is described as: \'Trains on how to catch fish, what pole or bait to use, what time of day makes for the best catch.\'
This leads me to believe that you can\'t \'interactively\' fish, but it sounds good for surface fishing.

Swimming I think is perfect, since everyone knows you have to be taught how to swim and then try it yourself. If you just jump in a lake, chances are you\'ll drown. If you just learn about it, chances are when you need to swim you will suck very badly... and your chances of drowning are only slightly less than if you knew nothing.
On the technical side of swimming, I think the jump and sit buttons could be used for going up and down and the arrow/wasd keys would move like normal.

Polearm/Spear sounds good too by itself.

Now to throw them all together...
I think it\'d be good if you could use your polearm/spear to fish. (By the way this is best for the Nolthrir, Klyros and Kran races, the others would need extreme swimming skill to stay under long enough) You could dive underwater and find some fish. You pull out your polearm/spear and begin to \'fish.\' It\'d basically be like attacking, except it would only work with a polearm/spear and you don\'t totally obliterate the fish lol. The swimming skill would act like a bonus ontop if your stats so it\'d be like you have two agility stats. You would then proceed to thrust at the fish with your polearm/spear, which would train you in the polearm/spear skill. The fish would have health and each successful thrust would hurt the fish, like fighting, you would do more damage with higher polearm/spear skill as well. The fishing skill would still be most important though, it could be used for accuracy(that\'s what I\'ll call it...), when thrusting at the fish you would have to know where to hit it in order to preserve the precious fillet. The higher your fishing skill the higher the quailty(you know, that handy little 1.0 that sits at the top of every description screen) of the fish you \'catch\'.

Examples:
Polearm/spear master goes fishing(underwater) -> catches a ripped up thing that may have been a fish at one point(quality ~0.1)
Fishing master goes fishing(underwater) -> catches a pristine fish after a very long time(little damage because no polearm/spear skill) with only the head damaged(nobody eats the head)(quality ~1.0)
Fishing and Polearm/spear master goes fishing(underwater) -> catches a pristine fish quickly with only the head damaged(still, nobody eats the head, except the cheeks..)(quality ~1.0)

So what do you guys think? Good, bad, piece of crap that will be deleted instantly?

I think it\'s pretty good but..
when the native americans went fishing they went to shallow streams with sharp sticks and speared fish  that was original fishing.

[clint8565]

Celebrimor:
Yeah, that\'s a great idea... except you shouldn\'t need too high of skill with the weapon to use it for fishing, you\'d just need enough that you can actually hit the fish

Originally posted by nightstalian
when the native americans went fishing they went to shallow streams with sharp sticks and speared fish  that was original fishing.

Yes, but native americans can\'t breath underwater

[BrotherCaine]

It\'s actually pretty hard to spear a fish.  Not quite as hard as playing pool one-handed, but close.

While it is true that hammers would be useless for fishing, mattocks or planks might be useful.   There is a technique for stunning fish by smacking the surface of the water over them with a plank.  Most of the energy transmits through the water to stun them.  Kind of like a depth charge to a submarine.

Other methods of fishing include building fish weirs (progressive \'gates\' that allow the fish to swim in easier than out),  using nets, and thickening the water with crushed vegetation to stupefy the fish ( California Native Americans used whats called a soap plant to turn the water somewhat gelatinous).

Tickling fish out bare handed can supposedly be picked up in an afternoon, but definitely would require a lot of patience and maybe stealth skill?

[nightstalian]

Yes, but native americans can\'t breath underwater
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I never said they could

[clint8565]

Originally posted by nightstalian

Yes, but native americans can\'t breath underwater

I never said they could

I never said that you said they could.
I thought you were making a comment that, that is the the only way to spear fish, but I guess you were just making a general knowledge comment?

[Celebrimor]

Originally posted by clint8565
you shouldn\'t need too high of skill with the weapon to use it for fishing, you\'d just need enough that you can actually hit the fish

Well, I\'d think \"enough\" skill to hit a fish underwater with a dagger wouldn\'t really be a low skill lvl. And it\'s be great if you could use stealth to sneak up to fish too.

[nightstalian]

Originally posted by clint8565

Originally posted by nightstalian

Yes, but native americans can\'t breath underwater

I never said they could

I never said that you said they could.
I thought you were making a comment that, that is the the only way to spear fish, but I guess you were just making a general knowledge comment?

is that if your doing to use a spear to fish you should be able to do outside of water or standing in it too.

[clint8565]

ah, I see... yeah that should be possible too, you\'d just have to wait for the fish to come to the surface, unless you find a stream