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« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2006, 10:11:53 am »
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There are \"good\" characters who would steal or be mean....
There are \"evil\" characters who would be kind, charismatic, charitable.....


that\'s an interesting statement Zanzibar would you care to explain/ellaborate? maybe even provide an example?





Well, someone can have a good heart and do good things, but be gruff, rude, and blunt.  He or she might even insult others, or steal out of necessity, or steal for a good cause.

Someone who is evil might have a kind face which he or shows to others.  The way the Devil is portrayed in a lot of movies is a sort of example... he\'s charismatic, helpful, and friendly.  Of course he\'s after your soul, and wants to corrupt you -- usually by playing off of weaknesses that already exist in you, so you\'re constantly digging your own hole.  Someone who is RPing an evil character might live (play) by a certain code, which might include never stealing or killing an innocent or some such.  There are different ways to justify it, but the person could still be evil.
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« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2006, 10:29:09 am »
aah, i see now, so basically you are refering to your robin hood and or vigilante, and then your sweet talking con-artist.

there\'s some interesting thoughts... I could have some fun with such characters.

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« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2006, 02:29:21 am »
And then there are people who are both, depending on the time of day, how good the day was to them, and how un-sober they are.
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« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2006, 04:18:07 am »
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And then there are people who are both, depending on the time of day, how good the day was to them, and how un-sober they are.



Unless your character is supposed to be schizophrenic, manic depressive, or possessed, I see that sort of thing as a bit OOC.  To me, RPing means that you\'re playing a character, and that character doesn\'t constantly evolve and change based on convenience or whims.
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« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2006, 04:57:55 am »
My classmates are like that, though. They act differently depending on what mood they are in.

People don\'t always act the same. I act stupidly and hyper-ly (?) most of the time, but not (as much) on the forums, and I may not even go on at all if I\'m sad.
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« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2006, 05:52:59 am »
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I know i\'m taking a risk of you calling me a moron or idiot by replying to your post. But are you calling me stupid?


That is not allowed in these forums.
[My evil side says, \"Ahhh, poor you.  Did you misunderstand me?\" {pathetic look}]
[My good side says, \"I wouldn\'t do that anyway.\"]


What I am saying is, learn how to play evil (and hopefully make it interesting) because people \"trying\" to be evil really just act stupid.


Nym.--how can a morally bankrupt outcast be evil, when it is his own society that drove him to such desperations?
(But I know what you mean.)
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« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2006, 06:00:52 am »
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how can a morally bankrupt outcast be evil, when it is his own society that drove him to such desperations?


my character is going to be morally bankrupt and because of his immoral actions he is an outcaste now, that is he is not appreciated by the city folk.

meh :tongue:

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« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2006, 06:03:34 am »
Okay, Nyra. Just stay away from Crimsonn Draycko. He\'s a loveable character (he\'s got a short temper sometimes...).
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« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2006, 02:16:58 am »
I think the one most important rule has been stated: be sure that the other player knows that you are RPing evil, but as player are good.
To be able to RP with someone who is evil, you need to have a huge level of trust in that player. You must earn that trust, as player. You stated that in retrospect, your RP has been bad, but is improving. This means that you do not only have to earn trust, you have to first remove distrust. People have gotten to know you as bad RPer, so it'll be extra hard for you to convince them of the opposite, which is prerequisite for evil RP that is accepted. There are players whose evil RP I accept, and there are others which I ignore, based on my trust in their ability of properly RPing and not abusing their role. Likewise, there are players whom I ignore despite them RPing good chars, since I distrust them as players.

Additionally, it doesn't take an evil action to make a player feel not welcome, as player, or make you seem, as player, like a bully. One harsh remark may suffice, if it is mistaken for OOC, for whatever reasons.

Also, as has been stated, some people simply can't handle evil, especially not if done to their own chars. It is important to bear that in mind: with being good, you don't usually run chances of crossing lines with people, you don't usually make them feel bad. These lines are different for each and every player, and what they consider over the line ( = they're unable to enjoy it) also depends on the particular evil action. Be especially careful when doing permanent damage to someone's char. IMO, this must never happen without their agreement.

If they don't know you and your intentions, clarify them, as has been advised. I have come to not engage in non-nice RP with players whom I don't know yet. This is OOC, yes, but it is necessary to further the overall enjoyment of RP for everyone. I usually don't interact with them immediately unless the interaction is possible without hard comments. /me-ing can help, but eventually you must know what they can handle, and they must know that you're not OOC. When you're in non-nice RP with others already, then, of course, another player joining this RP will know beforehand, and also it'll be clear that they are not being picked on. At all times remember that you are RPing with the others, not against them.

Being evil means, as has been said as well, to have a goal that is purely selfish (it might involve helping an evil power of sorts, but only in order to gain something from that), and to cross moral boundaries in order to achieve it. This applies to the power-hungry wizard as well as to the mugger on the street. It does apply to Hitler and his likes, but it does not apply the average nazi or religious fanatic (they're usually just stupid, ignorant and desparate, therefore easily misled and misinformed by their leaders).

The way you go about reaching your goal depends on your char. As has been said, there is the brute one, and there's the slick, stealthy one, and different shades.
Now I'd like to comment on Sarrow's proposals:
1) contradicting people,
Not necessarily evil, unless you contradict them in order to cause confusion. Even this is by far not universal with "evil" people. You can do evil by conceding.
2) becoming socially prejudice,
Be extra-careful with this. Most people who are IRL are merely ignorant, not evil. Because of this, and the fact that it's so easy and thus so overused and shallow, it isn't usually a good idea. It easily reeks of being uncreative.
3) become outspoken and bring your views out in the open,
I assume this refers to letting other chars know of your evil goals? Otherwise, it's merely exercising free speech. (though free speech is often flagged as "evil" by the truly evil who seek to control public opinion)
4) convince people to take the \"wrong\" action during arguments or situations,
Be sure that it furthers your goal, though.
5) become impatient with people\'s disabilities or limits,
Make absolutely sure that it's 100% IC, and that it's received as that. Especially ensure that their disabilities or limits are not OOC, like non-native english speakers, or difficulties handling the I/O devices like keyboard and mouse, or bandwidth issues.
6) be less optimistic,
I can't see the evil there. It's more like a general trait, I'd say.
7) take roles that will benefit your gain,
Take only those roles. If you must help the child get down the tree in order to get a chance to enter their house to spy or rob, or to "earn" their trust, or just to maintain a disguise, then do so. If it won't get you anywhere, don't.
7) use con-artist techniques during bartering,
If that's your char's style
8) dont help new people but either mis-direct them or shun them by laughing in their face.
Never, ever, follow that advice. Their being new is completely OOC, and therefore you cannot base any RP on that. Help them OOC-ly, and let them settle down. If you send a newbie in the wrong direction, that's plain OOC and just being a jerk.
9) Take the time to either despise beggars or poor people
Yes. Or make an act out of giving them something in order to gain unwarranted trust. Be sure to despise them when there's noone (except your inner circle) around to notice it.
10) Act as a spy and comitt treason within guilds
But make sure they know and agree OOC-ly.
11) Steal dropped objects when given the oppurtunity
Only with the exception about announcing it and acting it out in /me.
12) Decline people\'s request to share mob hunting
Absolutely not. The entire fighting system, with spawns and such is so ridden with OOC-ness that anything like this is OOCly being a jerk, not IC-ly being evil.
13) See friendships as partnerships or temporary co-workers
Yes.
14) Work for tria, not for free
Unless you have reasons to, yes.
15) See other\'s injuries and favors as pointless liabilities and only help people to use as blackmail or for valuable assistance later despite their usefullness
Yes.

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Re: Roleplaying advice for a truly evil character
« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2006, 04:49:14 am »
To quote myself:
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Evil is not caring about the negative consequences your actions might have on others, or willingly taking actions you know are morally unjust.
Thus: All criminal activity (unless the intent was to do good (a la Robin Hood)) is evil.  Also, deliberately harming people is evil.

What you're looking for is a group of persons who are absolutely diabolical.  Of course, diabolical is much more entertaining than petty criminal activity, and it takes a more skilled individual (or group.)

If you have ever seen Battlestar Galactica, (the new one,) Gaius Baltar is the kind of evil we need in PS.
Basically, he acts only in his own self-interests, to the point of putting his entire race in danger to win an election.  Previous to this, however, he seems like merely a distracted genius to those around him.  His primary motivators are selfishness and greed, but he doesn't embody King Midas.  ...more the politician type, he's rather popular.

edit: Nifty, a Seytra post! :)

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Baltar has a conscience, he's just too weak to act on it most of the time.
OT: Thinking about it after I posted, you're correct.  That's why he's going insane.
T: I think I had a fight with you once, and didn't take it to well.  It's hard to surrender power to an evil character.
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Re: Roleplaying advice for a truly evil character
« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2006, 04:56:39 am »
Baltar has a conscience, he's just too weak to act on it most of the time.

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« Reply #41 on: October 11, 2006, 05:14:16 am »
There's also some good info in this older thread: http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=5981.0

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Re: Roleplaying advice for a truly evil character
« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2006, 05:37:05 am »
Evil? Diabolical?

http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=25918.0

You got it. I plan on making a step by step guide to playing the criminal, or the evil person. You see, criminals do not have to be evil and mean, nor does evil have to be criminal. Most evil people do not think they are evil, they think they are just in their cause.

Example: One of my characters came into a guild with open arm and smiles. He stayed that way until the very day it was found out that he was trying to destroy said guild, by whatever means needed. Did he think he was evil? No, his cause was just....in his mind. I spent nearly a month playing the smiling role, while poisoning the guild against itself, and turning the people against it as well (IC, of cource). Good times.

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Re: Roleplaying advice for a truly evil character
« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2006, 05:48:40 am »
Example: One of my characters came into a guild with open arm and smiles. He stayed that way until the very day it was found out that he was trying to destroy said guild, by whatever means needed. Did he think he was evil? No, his cause was just....in his mind. I spent nearly a month playing the smiling role, while poisoning the guild against itself, and turning the people against it as well (IC, of cource). Good times.



*yawn*  Yeah, I've done that a few times too.
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Re: Roleplaying advice for a truly evil character
« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2006, 06:13:00 am »
Okay, I've written and deleted this post one too many times.

There is no way you can learn to RP evil.  None, it's quite simple, you see, no two evils are alike.  For every right path there must be a thousand wrong paths.

Added to which there are hundreds of motives for taking a wrong path and then many different ways to go down that path.  Anything from the sadistic, pale skinned torturer who believes what he does is an art and is downright crazy to the well armoured paladin who strives to do god's will by killling...everything.

Some may say that neither of these are truly evil..some may say that one is evil but the other isn't.  That's because evil is in the eye of the beholder.

Don't RP an evil character.  Don't RP a good character.

RP a well rounded character, one that you enjoy playing.

You must take everybody around you into consideration, but who you Roleplay should be for your own enjoyment, not theirs.

And most of all!!!

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RP a Shadow? :P