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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2006, 09:26:22 pm »
no no no no no...

Illori\'s guild is one of our newest member guilds, and she may have used the wrong words.

We do not consider ourselves \'elite\', and this council is not limited to so-called \"elite\" guilds. The council is open to every guild out there. End of story.

But the SCoY and the Militia are indeed completely different. One is a force for protection of Yilakum by NPC threats, and the other is a place in which all guilds can come and have equal turn to speak about issues that concern them. It is a diplomatic place.

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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2006, 11:44:13 pm »
every guild that shares the goals of SCoY ofcourse ;)
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2006, 11:45:51 pm »
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every guild that shares the goals of SCoY ofcourse ;)


not exactly true.. every guild must swear to comply with the councils decisions and rules, but that is it.

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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2006, 04:50:53 am »
Well Easton you know I will support you in any way I can my friend.. Good luck with everything.


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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2006, 06:30:22 am »
Hmmm... this is kind of like a government... you may rival indeed the Octarchs themselves...
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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2006, 07:00:49 am »
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We also would like to add that, even though many people seem to think otherwise, we are in NO WAY A GOVERNMENT OF ANY SORT. Again, we DO NOT GOVERN ANYONE OTHER THAN THE MEMBER GUILDS WHO BOTH CHOSE TO JOIN AND ARE AN ACTIVE PART WITHIN THE COUNCIL.  


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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2006, 11:14:33 am »
I am not sure if I miss the right term, but somehow I would like to compare the SCoY with a \"trade union\":

a) in dialog with the workers,
b) sharing opinions between companies, and
c) sometimes in opposition to the employers.

This relation might be similar to the position of SCoY related to

b) member guilds,
a) their members and even the citizen in general, and
c) monarchs, octarchs, or other forms of (also wanna-be) government.
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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2006, 01:01:19 pm »
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every guild that shares the goals of SCoY ofcourse ;)


not exactly true.. every guild must swear to comply with the councils decisions and rules, but that is it.

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K true enough only what is mentioned in the charter and the missiongoals one would have to agree with, but think most people would call those the SCoY\'s goals ;)
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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2006, 01:57:02 pm »
I have some questions.

Concerning the recent upheavals of a pretender in out midst.

It is unclear from what I have heard and seen, who was made known to whom first. Did Xillix first approach SCoY? If she did how did she know of them? And if you are NOT GOVERNMENT as you say, why did she need your support? Are not the Vigesimi the support of the Octarch? What support was she asking for? Or did, as Janner was informed by one of its members, the SCoY summon[/b] Xillix to a meeting?

The event seems relevant since very few knew anything about SCoY before it. Perhaps that is significant.
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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2006, 02:45:47 pm »
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not exactly true.. every guild must swear to comply with the councils decisions and rules, but that is it.

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So as long as a guild promises to comply to the councils decisions and rules, there in?  They don\'t have to go through a voting process where they could be denied?

Still curious about this Guild of guilds? Who is the guild leader of the Guild of guilds by the way?

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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2006, 02:56:01 pm »
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I have some questions.

It is unclear from what I have heard and seen, who was made known to whom first. Did Xillix first approach SCoY?


Xillix approached the SCoY, yes.

Pip asked:
If she did how did she know of them?

A lot of people knew about us. We weren\'t keeping it a secret anymore. We were working on a forum post to go public officially. Anyone who cared to look could find out about us very easily.

Pip asked:
And if you are NOT GOVERNMENT as you say, why did she need your support? Are not the Vigesimi the support of the Octarch? What support was she asking for?

Maybe she knew that we are made up of a large part of the guild population in Yliakum. Im not saying we represent everyone, or anything like that. She just knew that if we supported her, then her slide into power would be that much easier. As for the Vigesmi.. Yes, they are supposed to elect the octarch. Xillix was planning to do that the other way around. Hence our disapproval of what she was doing.

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Or did, as Janner was informed by one of its members, the SCoY summon[/b] Xillix to a meeting?

We did meet with Xillix in order to answer her inquiry aobut having the support of the SCoY. We sent a delegation to meet her and tell her our lack of support. It just so turned out that there were lots and lots of people there by the time Xillix arrived.. I just want to let it be known that we met in the place of her chosing.

@LigH- We are a council. The member guilds run it. Anyone who joins, then, runs it too. I think no matter what you may want to compare the SCoY to, there will always be differences. We are what we are. ;)

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« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2006, 03:04:12 pm »
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So as long as a guild promises to comply to the councils decisions and rules, there in?  They don\'t have to go through a voting process where they could be denied?


Here are the requirements:

1. Taking an oath to follow the Charter and the Council\'s decisions even if they go against what that particular guild has voted for. (this requires reading the Charter of course, and accepting it fully. Any questions about the charter should be cleared up before membership is granted.)

2. Give a list of the two ambassadors who will be attending the meetings along with their email addresses.

3. Guild Alignment and number of members within the guild. (this is for information only. If a guild is uncomfortable with giving it\'s numbers, we simply ask for a rounded \'estimate\'. All of this info will be kept secret of course.)

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Still curious about this Guild of guilds? Who is the guild leader of the Guild of guilds by the way?


No one has any more power than the next. I was elected President, but that does not give me any more power at all. In fact, i only vote when there is a tie in the votes. So, depending on how you look at it, you could say that i have less power.

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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2006, 03:50:00 pm »
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So as long as a guild promises to comply to the councils decisions and rules, there in?  They don\'t have to go through a voting process where they could be denied?


Here are the requirements:

1. Taking an oath to follow the Charter and the Council\'s decisions even if they go against what that particular guild has voted for. (this requires reading the Charter of course, and accepting it fully. Any questions about the charter should be cleared up before membership is granted.)

2. Give a list of the two ambassadors who will be attending the meetings along with their email addresses.

3. Guild Alignment and number of members within the guild. (this is for information only. If a guild is uncomfortable with giving it\'s numbers, we simply ask for a rounded \'estimate\'. All of this info will be kept secret of course.)

So the answer is NO, there is no voting process where a guild could be denied entrance into the council? As long as they are willing to comply with the councils charter and decisions and supply the needed paperwork.

Well that is fair, glad to know there is no \"have to be friends with the other guilds\" to get in.

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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2006, 04:00:09 pm »
Of course.. what would be the point of having the same type of people being in a council?

All guilds are welcome!

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« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2006, 04:03:42 pm »
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A lot of people knew about us. We weren\'t keeping it a secret anymore. We were working on a forum post to go public officially. Anyone who cared to look could find out about us very easily.


Yes, if they knew there was something to look for. You weren\'t keeping it secret but noone is allowed to talk about your meetings to anyone else.

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Maybe she knew that we are made up of a large part of the guild population in Yliakum. Im not saying we represent everyone, or anything like that.


So who are the member guilds of SCoY? To be a large part, to me, suggests at least a third of the guilds of Yliakum. In one guild list alone there are about 20 guilds with a collective membership numbering around 350 or more. Considering that this list represents probably less than two thirds; can you say that your guilds represent more than 170 members? And if the guild representatives can not talk about the meetings how do the members know they are being faithfully represented?
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