SCoY

[Easton]

Originally posted by Pip
Yes, if they knew there was something to look for. You weren\'t keeping it secret but noone is allowed to talk about your meetings to anyone else.

Right. The contents of the meetings are for the members of the guilds only. That includes people who aren\'t at the meeting. For example, the Dragon Council ambassadors can relay any information they want to their guildmates. But they cannot give that information to anyone who is not a part of a guild that is in the council. Also, if you looked at my description you could see that i mention the SCoY. And if youasked me about it, i would have directed you to the site.

So who are the member guilds of SCoY? To be a large part, to me, suggests at least a third of the guilds of Yliakum. In one guild list alone there are about 20 guilds with a collective membership numbering around 350 or more. Considering that this list represents probably less than two thirds; can you say that your guilds represent more than 170 members?

Well, i have reason to believe that list may be a bit outdated. Milady, i feel you are being a slight bit rude, if you wouldn\'t mind using different words maybe.. Anyways, our member guilds are:

Member Guilds:
The Defenders, The Protectors, Woiperdinger, Ruby Reign, The Dragon Council, Way of the Hammer, along with 2 others that are in the process of joining, and one other that is about to begin that process.

And if the guild representatives can not talk about the meetings how do the members know they are being faithfully represented?

I already mentioned that above..

EDIT: I forgot to mention the guild Plakkem Hverrjanor Just getting a little hectic, sorry..

Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent

[Anfa]

Originally posted by Pip
 Considering that this list represents probably less than two thirds; can you say that your guilds represent more than 170 members?

They did state at the meeting in the temple that they represent at least 200 active members.


Cheers
Anfa

[Pip]

Originally posted by Easton
Well, i have reason to believe that list may be a bit outdated. Milady, i feel you are being a slight bit rude, if you wouldn\'t mind using different words maybe.. Anyways, our member guilds are:
Member Guilds:
The Defenders, The Protectors, Woiperdinger, Ruby Reign, The Dragon Council, Way of the Hammer, along with 2 others that are in the process of joining, and one other that is about to begin that process.

Rude?? Care to explain?

The list I refer to is up to date; here. Only half the guilds represented by SCoY are on it however, and I am sure there are many more in Yliakum which have not put themselves on it. So maybe you should think again about how big SCoY is. If you presented yourselves in a different light you might get a more positive response.

Originally posted by Anfa
They did state at the meeting in the temple that they represent at least 200 active members.

Is that correct? Ruby Reign are about 20, Way of the Hammer 12, Dragon Council 30 which leaves 138 between the other 3.

[Easton]

Originally posted by Pip
Rude?? Care to explain?

I feel that you are accusing of the same things that either don\'t make sense, or are simply misinterpretations of our Charter. I will continue to answer your every question, but i ask you to be a bit more polite. I have respect for your criticism and it seems you have no respect for a council that has goals very very similar to that of your guild.

The list I refer to is up to date; here. Only half the guilds represented by SCoY are on it however, and I am sure there are many more in Yliakum which have not put themselves on it. So maybe you should think again about how big SCoY is. If you presented yourselves in a different light you might get a more positive response.

A good list would be Kada\'s list. I believe that is the official of official lists of guilds in Yliakum. And we agree 100% that we have room to grow. That is precisely why we have gone public and are accepting any guild that wishes to join. If Janner\'s Way does not join, then we will miss having you there, but we will move on. And if you wish to join at a later time, then we will accept you with open arms. I feel we have had a very positive response to our publicity. Seeing as how you and Janner have been the only two really criticising us in this thread. We have had several guilds already join since we made this thread a couple of days ago. I feel that is quite positive indeed. And believe me, we don\'t expect everyone to join. We expect doubts, and we have braced ourselves for harsh criticism.. And we will listen to that criticism. We hope to better ourselves with every week and every issue.

Is that correct? Ruby Reign are about 20, Way of the Hammer 12, Dragon Council 30 which leaves 138 between the other 3.

i will not give specifics for the sake of the member guilds, but i will give general numbers.

Protecters have more than 40, Way of the Hammer have around 20, Ruby Reign have in the mid 20\'s, Woiperdinger have around, or very near 100. As for Plakkem Hverrjanor and DC, i do not know enough to give you even an estimate. So to be fair i will not guess as to how many they have.. SO, thats about 180 plus two guilds whom i don\'t know the numbers of, and 3 more who are joining. I asked Ogu about him saying we had 200 members and he replied, \"When i said we had 200 members, it was an estimate, not a bluff..\"

Again Milady, with all due respect, we are not hiding anything at all. And of course, we appreciate your criticism.

Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent

[Anfa]

So let\'s say a member guild truly disagrees with the decision of the council. Is there an appeal process that a guild can access if they wish the matter readdressed? I know they have vowed to comply to the descisions of the council. So what are the options should they not agree with that final descision? Have they given up their right to openly oppose the council?
Is it a put up and shut up kinda deal or must they leave if they don\'t agree and refuse to let the matter go?

I am not one to submissively submit to a descision I truly do not agree with...what would my options be if my guild were a member . [and yes if the Scions were to join Scoy Xillix and I would be the ambassadors  ]

cheers
Anfa

[Easton]

Originally posted by Anfa
So let\'s say a member guild truly disagrees with the decision of the council. Is there an appeal process that a guild can access if they wish the matter readdressed? I know they have vowed to comply to the descisions of the council. So what are the options should they not agree with that final descision? Have they given up their right to openly oppose the council?
Is it a put up and shut up kinda deal or must they leave if they don\'t agree and refuse to let the matter go?

I am not one to submissively submit to a descision I truly do not agree with...what would my options be if my guild were a member . [and yes if the Scions were to join Scoy Xillix and I would be the ambassadors  ]

cheers
Anfa

Good question. Its not blatently stated in the Charter, but yes, there is an appeals process.. There are a couple of things to do concerning voting.

1- if you are unsure about the issue, or wish to yield for a set amount of time before voting, you may do so.

2- if you disagree fundamentally, you may ask for a reevaluation in which you will be given the floor to speak your side of the issue. This is subject to the approval of a 1/3 vote of the council. Then there will be a revote.

There should not be need to do any more than one revote unless of course there is some new evidence that comes to light after the second vote.

The council is flexible, and we have shown that lately, and im quite proud to see it be tested, and pass to my standards. For example, usually we meet once every 2 weeks, but lately, we\'ve been meeting every week, as it has been neccessary. But the bottom line is, if the coucnil ends up going the way you did not picture it going, you still are responsible for sticking to your oath. Its about compromise. Some things will go your way, and others will not.

Thank you for the question..

Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent

[zorbels]

Originally posted by Pip

Is that correct? Ruby Reign are about 20, Way of the Hammer 12, Dragon Council 30 which leaves 138 between the other 3.

What is you point? You seem to be nit picking at any little thing. The fact of this matter is SKoY is here, period. Your opinions have been noted and SKoY isn\'t going away, nor can it be re introduced to Ylaikum to your satisfaction. Most of the questions you have asked have been addressed over and over in the Octarch Thread and on the SKoY site, as well as here in this thread. My point is, unless you have something to contribute ... this is talked out.

[Father Sengus]

A good list would be Kada\'s list. I believe that is the official of official lists of guilds in Yliakum.

Kada\'s list is really outdated at this time, so the list Pip suggested is probably better. Though making calculations relying on the member count that guild leaders give you is plain silly. The active member count has nothing to do with all the numbers you can find on different guildlists or sites. No offense to the guilds I mention, but you won\'t find 28 active Knowledge Seekers just like you won\'t find 30 active Community of Vaalnor members (just examples). None of the guilds show, or even know, their true active member count as this changes all the time, which makes a discussion about members quite...pointless.

Something much more important is the quality of the guilds. What are your requirements on roleplaying, for example? Since guilds only have to accept to join, what\'s your guarantee that they will RP?
The reason I say this is because I have seen several guildleaders ingame lately who claim to be roleplayers when they are not. If the leader doesn\'t roleplay I believe it is safe to assume that most of his guildmembers don\'t either. What about that, Easton?

[Easton]

Originally posted by Father Sengus
Something much more important is the quality of the guilds. What are your requirements on roleplaying, for example? Since guilds only have to accept to join, what\'s your guarantee that they will RP?
The reason I say this is because I have seen several guildleaders ingame lately who claim to be roleplayers when they are not. If the leader doesn\'t roleplay I believe it is safe to assume that most of his guildmembers don\'t either. What about that, Easton?

A good point, Sengus..

The council will take on both RP and OOC matters. There are no requirements for either though. Why? Because we are not a government. We have no authority to force any guilds to RP as we do to force any guild to be lawful good or chatoic evil. If we limited it to RP guilds only, then we would be limiting ourselves, just as if we didn\'t allow RP guilds. So, we decided to take on issues concerning both RP and OOC.

i don\'t want this to turn into a roleplayers vs. ooc gamers discussion. But if you have any other questions concerning the matter, please continue to ask. just make sure its on topic, as Sengus\'s post was. Thank you Sengus.

Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent

[Father Sengus]

Thanks for responding thoroughly. Another question that rises is how you plan to discuss the IC and OOC questions. Hopefully, the ingame meetings will be for discussing IC matters only, but where will OOC discussions be held?

[Anfa]

Originally posted by Easton
[] to take on an even greater task: To provide a common meeting ground for all of the guilds of Yliakum for the discussion of all of the issues that guilds and their members may be facing in these unprecedented times.\"
 

The Scions would welcome a common meeting ground where guild issues can be discussed...

Does this mean that once you are more firmly established you will be having open meetings for all the guilds to participate in?

[Easton]

Originally posted by Father Sengus
Thanks for responding thoroughly. :) Another question that rises is how you plan to discuss the IC and OOC questions. Hopefully, the ingame meetings will be for discussing IC matters only, but where will OOC discussions be held?

I cannot go into that throughly, but i will tell you what i can...

We try to keep everything in game as much as possible. Meetings etc.. but realistically, we are all people and since we only really have scheduled meetings either once a week or once every two weeks, it is important to have communication between members whenever possible. So we have various other types of communication including the forums on our site. We have no problem dealing with OOC issues in game. But again, i can\'t really get into the structure of the meetings. Im sure you would understand if the DE were to join.

Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent

*edit*

Originally posted by Anfa
The Scions would welcome a common eeting ground where guild issues can be discussed...

Does this mean that once you are more firmly established you will be having open meetings for all the guilds to participate in?

I seem to not quite understand you Milady.. We are hoping to do that, yes. These essentially are open meetings that every guild can participate in. But we need as many guilds as possible to be apart of it.

Sorry i didn\'t understand..

Easton Ghent

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[Anfa]

Originally posted by Easton
. These essentially are open meetings that every guild can participate in. But we need as many guilds as possible to be apart of it.

Oh wonderful!! so when is the next meeting and what is on the agenda?

Is there a place I can go where the time and place are listed so that nonmember guilds know the schedule?

Seems I was the one who misunderstood, I thought the meetings were closed to members only..

Me bad...my apologies

cheers
Anfa

[Easton]

Originally posted by Anfa
Oh wonderful!! so when is the next meeting and what is on the agenda?

Is there a place I can go where the time and place are listed so that nonmember guilds know the schedule?

Seems I was the one who misunderstood, I thought the meetings were closed to members only..

Me bad...my apologies

cheers
Anfa

I may have been unclear... the council is open to all guilds. That means, any guild that wants to join, may join. As long as they agree to the charter, and take the oath as i have previously explained. Boom, then they have the access to the meetings, the votes, the issues, etc.. of course they are closed to members only, however, there will be a page on our site that will list publicly, the public issues that the council has discussed and the public stance the SCoY has taken.

Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent

[Anfa]

Originally posted by Easton

 As long as they agree to the charter, and take the oath as i have previously explained.

Well in your mission statement you mention the guest rules, where might I find the oath a guild must make in order to join SCoY on your website?

Respectively

Anfa

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Okay got it...Sorry..I thought that\'s what the lines were for..still learning