SCoY

[Easton]

That informatoin is not posted yet.

Easton Ghent

[Pip]

Originally posted by Easton
I feel that you are accusing of the same things that either don\'t make sense, or are simply misinterpretations of our Charter. I will continue to answer your every question, but i ask you to be a bit more polite. I have respect for your criticism and it seems you have no respect for a council that has goals very very similar to that of your guild.

I was not aware that I had repeated myself but if I did I apologise. I respect what you are trying to do, but I beg you to hear my concerns:

\"All guilds and/or citizens who wish to promote the general well-being in Yliakum may participate.\"
Seems to conflict with
\"Only guild leaders, or one of their hand-selected diplomats or ambassadors may attend the assemblies.\"

\"All issues and contents of the assembly will remain secret. No one is to know any details of the assembly, including your attendance, unless the expressed consent of the entire council.\"
Why the secrecy? What do you have to hide?

Originally posted by Easton
A good list would be Kada\'s list. I believe that is the official of official lists of guilds in Yliakum.

But

Originally posted by Father Sengus
Kada\'s list is really outdated at this time, so the list Pip suggested is probably better. Though making calculations relying on the member count that guild leaders give you is plain silly. The active member count has nothing to do with all the numbers you can find on different guildlists or sites. No offense to the guilds I mention, but you won\'t find 28 active Knowledge Seekers just like you won\'t find 30 active Community of Vaalnor members (just examples). None of the guilds show, or even know, their true active member count as this changes all the time, which makes a discussion about members quite...pointless.

Agreed

Originally posted by zorbels
What is you point? You seem to be nit picking at any little thing. The fact of this matter is SKoY is here, period. Your opinions have been noted and SKoY isn\'t going away, nor can it be re introduced to Ylaikum to your satisfaction. Most of the questions you have asked have been addressed over and over in the Octarch Thread and on the SKoY site, as well as here in this thread. My point is, unless you have something to contribute ... this is talked out.

Whoops, have I upset you? So sorry. My point is that SCoY has often claimed to represent a LARGE section of the community when it is clearly not the case.

Originally posted by Easton
And we agree 100% that we have room to grow.

So Why not just say you aim to represent a large section of the community, as membership grows.

Originally posted by Easton
I feel we have had a very positive response to our publicity. Seeing as how you and Janner have been the only two really criticising us in this thread.

You may not have had direct critisism from anyone else in this thread, but you have elsewhere in the forums.

Again Milady, with all due respect, we are not hiding anything at all. And of course, we appreciate your criticism.

Then why call me rude. Blunt perhaps but I certainly wasn\'t rude.

Originally posted by Anfa
 where might I find the oath a guild must make in order to join SCoY on your website?

Originally posted by Easton
That informatoin is not posted yet.

A perfect time to publish it here, don\'t you think?

[zanzibar]

For goodness\' sakes, is SCoY still under all this mindless attack and criticism?


Listen - they don\'t owe you anything.  They don\'t owe you an explanation, or a manifesto, or any kind of transparency.  They\'re letting you \"in\" simply as a courtesy and you should be thanking them for that instead of assaulting them with innane questions.

[dfryer]

It is my impression that no one is really claiming SCoY \"owes\" them anything.. unless SCoY is claiming to represent them.  The criticism presented doesn\'t seem \"mindless\" and concerns differing opinions of how to construct a representative inter-guild organisation.

They\'re letting you \"in\" simply as a courtesy

Seems to me that they\'re letting people \"in\" not as some sort of courtesy from on high, but because without people joining the exercise is meaningless

[Easton]

Where to start...

Originally posted by Pip
but I beg you to hear my concerns:

\"All guilds and/or citizens who wish to promote the general well-being in Yliakum may participate.\"
Seems to conflict with
\"Only guild leaders, or one of their hand-selected diplomats or ambassadors may attend the assemblies.

Well it doesn\'t. Most guilds talk with their members. However, not all members of a guild can be present at a meeting, that would be way too complicated and counter-productive. So, we thought of having two ambassadors from each member guild speak on behalf of the entire guild. It is up to each guild to talk within itself and amongst its own members and then have their guild\'s decision ready come time for the meeting. Is there anything wrong with that system? Because that is why i am posting here.
 Pip said:
\"All issues and contents of the assembly will remain secret. No one is to know any details of the assembly, including your attendance, unless the expressed consent of the entire council.\"
Why the secrecy? What do you have to hide?

Nothing. That is outdated, and that is how the Charter was written over 6 months ago. Now that we are public that is obviously not applicable. However, all matters discussed in the council will remain in the council until the Spokesperson posts the final stance of the council. Thats just how it is.

Pip Wrote:

Originally posted by zorbels
What is you point? You seem to be nit picking at any little thing. The fact of this matter is SKoY is here, period. Your opinions have been noted and SKoY isn\'t going away, nor can it be re introduced to Ylaikum to your satisfaction. Most of the questions you have asked have been addressed over and over in the Octarch Thread and on the SKoY site, as well as here in this thread. My point is, unless you have something to contribute ... this is talked out.

Whoops, have I upset you? So sorry. My point is that SCoY has often claimed to represent a LARGE section of the community when it is clearly not the case.[/i]

Please quote me with the date and time of when i claimed that we were a large section of the community. Please.

Originally posted by Easton
And we agree 100% that we have room to grow.

So Why not just say you aim to represent a large section of the community, as membership grows.[/i]

We have.

Pip Wrote:

Originally posted by Easton
I feel we have had a very positive response to our publicity. Seeing as how you and Janner have been the only two really criticising us in this thread.

You may not have had direct critisism from anyone else in this thread, but you have elsewhere in the forums.

Again Milady, with all due respect, we are not hiding anything at all. And of course, we appreciate your criticism.

Then why call me rude. Blunt perhaps but I certainly wasn\'t rude.[/i]

I feel like you were demanding things of me that i do not have to give you. But i am.. out of the good faith of this very council. Maybe that might mean something to you. I hope so. I just don\'t want you to be so demanding. We ask for your criticism, not your scrutiny.

Pip Wrote:

Originally posted by Anfa
 where might I find the oath a guild must make in order to join SCoY on your website?

Originally posted by Easton
That informatoin is not posted yet.

A perfect time to publish it here, don\'t you think?
[/QUOTE][/i]

When it is completely prepared, we will decide where to post it.. it will most likely be on the SCoY site though.

@dfryer- He\'s right. Without any of the guilds, the council fails. Our goal is to unite as many guilds as possible, only having 3 wouldn\'t cut it. If you join the council, you become a part of it.. don\'t forget that.

Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent

[Anfa]

Originally posted by Easton

When it is completely prepared, we will decide where to post it.. it will most likely be on the SCoY site though.

Okay I\'m confused..
You already have 6 guilds in this alliance?
since the Oath isn\'t completely prepared what did the founding guilds swear?

And why would it be different than new guilds joining?

really confused..

Anfa

Ohh are you working to make it sound more poetic?

[Easton]

Originally posted by Anfa

Originally posted by Easton

When it is completely prepared, we will decide where to post it.. it will most likely be on the SCoY site though.

Okay I\'m confused..
You already have 6 guilds in this alliance?
since the Oath isn\'t completely prepared what did the founding guilds swear?

And why would it be different than new guilds joining?

really confused..

Anfa

The founding guilds knew what they were agreeing to when they made the council. They were there to establish the Charter and test it. I saved my opening speech from the very first meeting of the council.. here\'s an exerpt..

\"If you are in attendance today, then you are taking an oath to listen, speak, and make your decisions based on helping the good of Yilakum and protecting the peace and prosperity that we hold so dear.\"

I assume it will be very similar to that.

Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by dfryer
It is my impression that no one is really claiming SCoY \"owes\" them anything.. unless SCoY is claiming to represent them.  The criticism presented doesn\'t seem \"mindless\" and concerns differing opinions of how to construct a representative inter-guild organisation.

They\'re letting you \"in\" simply as a courtesy

Seems to me that they\'re letting people \"in\" not as some sort of courtesy from on high, but because without people joining the exercise is meaningless

People are asking questions.

People are getting upity when they don\'t get satisfactory answers.

People think SCoY owe them satisfactory answers.



And people are already involved in SCoY, so my statement about them letting others in on what they\'re about is perfectly reasonable.  In fact, everything I said was perfectly reasonable.

[Anfa]

Having worked on many forming of organzations I was wondering how often the top  positions are voted on and what sort of nomination proceedure has been implemented?

Cheers

Anfa

[Easton]

Originally posted by Anfa
Having worked on many forming of organzations I was wondering how often the top  positions are voted on and what sort of nomination proceedure has been implemented?

Cheers

Anfa

Thats the thing. There is no real top position. Most would say the president is the top position but that is not true. In fact, the president is less powerful than most because he only votes in the event of a tie in the votes. However, the president can be voted out of office at any time. A vote must simply be called. Then of course there is discussion and whatnot.. then another president will be elected. I think we should hold a vote after most guilds that are going to join have done so. As i do not want anyone to think that i am in any way imposing myself to be president. I was elected very early one, and now we have more people. I think it is only fair, (an believe me its not a lot of fun being president. )

PS- Youve formed a lot of organizations? Do you mean within PS or RL?

Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent

[Anfa]

Originally posted by Anfa
Having worked on many forming of organzations I was wondering how often the top  positions are voted on and what sort of nomination proceedure has been implemented?

hmmm guess that would depend on what your definition of many is...lol

In real life...as it has been pointed out in other areas of this forum I am fairly new to PS.. ;p

A couple of small community based programs..

A couple of NFP organizations, again fairly small but spend hours in bylaw hell trying to cover every \"what if\"  lol

this was on a volunteer basis..yes I volunteered for bylaw hell [the first time not knowing what I was volunteering myself into...heheheh]

Gets easier after the first time!

I truly understand that you have a vision and I really am honestly curious on what path you decided to take in order to bring that vision to life.

Isn\'t it wonderful watching something you\'ve helped create take on a life of it\'s own and watching to see if it follows the path you dreamt it would follow.

There will always be people like me who are curious about the working parts more so than the big vision so if my questions get to much just let me know.

Respectively

Anfa

[Easton]

Originally posted by Anfa
hmmm guess that would depend on what your definition of many is...lol

In real life...as it has been pointed out in other areas of this forum I am fairly new to PS.. ;p

A couple of small community based programs..

A couple of NFP organizations, again fairly small but spend hours in bylaw hell trying to cover every \"what if\"  lol

this was on a volunteer basis..yes I volunteered for bylaw hell [the first time not knowing what I was volunteering myself into...heheheh]

Gets easier after the first time!

I truly understand that you have a vision and I really am honestly curious on what path you decided to take in order to bring that vision to life.

Isn\'t it wonderful watching something you\'ve helped create take on a life of it\'s own and watching to see if it follows the path you dreamt it would follow.

There will always be people like me who are curious about the working parts more so than the big vision so if my questions get to much just let me know.

Respectively

Anfa

No amount of questions will be too much, i assure you. Continue as you would.

Easton Ghent

[Anfa]

I was wondering about this IG and OOC mix...Is there a certain amout of IG activity expected from the members of SCoY?

I would think that not being active IG would leave someone \"out of touch\" with the current situations within the game so I was curious on how SCoY would address a situation like this?

Cheers
Anfa

[Easton]

Originally posted by Anfa
I was wondering about this IG and OOC mix...Is there a certain amout of IG activity expected from the members of SCoY?

I would think that not being active IG would leave someone \"out of touch\" with the current situations within the game so I was curious on how SCoY would address a situation like this?

Cheers
Anfa

Good question... We have in the past. First off.. we like to keep everything as IG and possible. Meetings are held IG if permitting (server status). We have agreed on a time, but that will most likely change as more guilds join. If we are lucky, it will stay the same. We also have forums along with several other ways of communication. Not being there for meetings is acceptable if planned ahead, or something has come up, but if prolonged, the guild will be removed from the council. We have a lot of communication IG and out of game.. i jsut can\'t be too specific of course

Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent

[zorbels]

Originally posted by Pip
Whoops, have I upset you? So sorry.

No you have not upset me and I would think you silly to even imply that. :/ If was was upset I would have said so in my post, just for future reference.

Originally posted by Pip
\"All guilds and/or citizens who wish to promote the general well-being in Yliakum may participate.\"
Seems to conflict with
\"Only guild leaders, or one of their hand-selected diplomats or ambassadors may attend the assemblies.\"

Ok again I just see this as nit picking but... I think it is safe to say that it would be really hard to have a meeting with 6 different guilds with about 20 members each all talking at once.

This is a great opportunity to have something to roleplay in your guild, something to work for. To be hand picked by your guild master to go to an important meeting and speak on behalf of your guild.

Plus it is up to your guild to talk about what they want to voice at the SKoY meeting. Take Xillix roleplay for example, our guild master asked our guild members what their opinion\'s were before the SKoY meeting  .. do we accept her or oppose her as the Octarch? We had a vote and then my guild master and his right hand man spoke at the SKoY meeting on our guilds behalf. I don\'t know about you but I trust my guild leaders.

Originally posted by Pip
\"All issues and contents of the assembly will remain secret. No one is to know any details of the assembly, including your attendance, unless the expressed consent of the entire council.\"
Why the secrecy? What do you have to hide?

It is called confidentiality so that members of SKoY can state their opinion and not feel that the information they bring to the SKoY meetings will get into the wrong hands like lets say .... evil guilds or doers.