SCoY

[r.guppy]

By zorbels
It is called confidentiality so that members of SKoY can state their opinion and not feel that the information they bring to the SKoY meetings will get into the wrong hands like lets say .... evil guilds or doers.

 

By Easton
 All guilds are welcome!

  So all guilds welcome, so all evil type guilds too ? If so how can you discuss combatting EVIL, if evil is in your guild of guilds ?

By Pip
Whoops, have I upset you? So sorry. My point is that SCoY has often claimed to represent a LARGE section of the community when it is clearly not the case.

By Easton
Please quote me with the date and time of when i claimed that we were a large section of the community. Please.

 

By Easton
Maybe she knew that we are made up of a large part of the guild population in Yliakum . Im not saying we represent everyone, or anything like that. She just knew that if we supported her, then her slide into power would be that much easier. As for the Vigesmi.. Yes, they are supposed to elect the octarch. Xillix was planning to do that the other way around. Hence our disapproval of what she was doing.

 

All guilds are welcome!

 Believe it or not i am bringing these points up to clear up the confusion.

[Anfa]

hmmm it seems to me it would make more sense to have SCoY more open so that guilds that are not members can see what it is they are doing and what they are accomplishing to better understand why they would want to be apart of it.

Having secret meetings can give the wrong impression to your intent.

Secret meetings can be seen as having something to hide or having an elitists attitude...

I understand this is not the message you are trying to send but unfortunatly it is the message some are receiving. Perhaps you should rethink this approach?

Just my 2 trias worth,

Anfa [who was never good at following the crowd]

[Easton]

I believe that part of the problem here is that some people who are posting on behalf of the SCoY are using words a bit too lightly. For example, someone said \"elite guilds\" earlier, and i had to explain that they didn\'t mean \"elite\" by any means.

I don\'t think Zorbels meant that we are combatting evil guilds seeing as how anyone can see that in the charter there is no mention of the council combatting evil. We do wish to limit the amount of overall disruption within the realm by providing a diplomatic forum for parties to discuss their problems with eachother if need be. Whether or not that has to do with \"evil\" guilds or not does not matter. Disruption does not have to come from evil vs good... as we all saw with the Xillix affair.

Zorbels, if i spoke wrongly about anythign you said, please correct me, i simply stated my interpretation.

Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent

*edit*

Originally posted by Anfa
hmmm it seems to me it would make more sense to have SCoY more open so that guilds that are not members can see what it is they are doing and what they are accomplishing to better understand why they would want to be apart of it.

Having secret meetings can give the wrong impression to your intent.

Secret meetings can be seen as having something to hide or having an elitists attitude...

I understand this is not the message you are trying to send but unfortunatly it is the message some are receiving. Perhaps you should rethink this approach?

Just my 2 trias worth,

Anfa [who was never good at following the crowd]

Off of the SCoY charter:

Spokesperson - this person is in charge of the publicity of the council. He or she will post on the forum the official thoughts and stances of the council on certain public issues as authorized by the council.

There will be public notification of the council\'s decisions on issues.  Now, since i know you are going to ask about the part that says \"certain public issues..\" i will address that now:

That is merely a safeguard. If there happens to be an issue, for whatever reason, (i can\'t think of one, but we must prepare for the unexpected right??) that only the council members should know about, that is our disclaimer. But we will not keep anything from the general public, it would not be in our interest.

Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent

Please avoid posting two or more successive posts before others have replied, even if you\'re addressing different people. Just edit your last post to add new information Thanks! --Karyuu

[r.guppy]

Originally posted by Easton
I believe that part of the problem here is that some people who are posting on behalf of the SCoY are using words a bit too lightly.

 Including you, it seems.

 

By Easton To Pip
Please quote me with the date and time of when i claimed that we were a large section of the community. Please.

  OK there you are.

 

By Easton 14.03.2006, 05:56
Maybe she knew that we are made up of a large part of the guild population in Yliakum . Im not saying we represent everyone, or anything like that. She just knew that if we supported her, then her slide into power would be that much easier. As for the Vigesmi.. Yes, they are supposed to elect the octarch. Xillix was planning to do that the other way around. Hence our disapproval of what she was doing.

[zorbels]

Originally posted by Easton
I don\'t think Zorbels meant that we are combatting evil guilds seeing as how anyone can see that in the charter there is no mention of the council combatting evil. We do wish to limit the amount of overall disruption within the realm by providing a diplomatic forum for parties to discuss their problems with eachother if need be. Whether or not that has to do with \"evil\" guilds or not does not matter. Disruption does not have to come from evil vs good... as we all saw with the Xillix affair.

Zorbels, if i spoke wrongly about anythign you said, please correct me, i simply stated my interpretation.

Perhaps it was a little hastey to use \"evil guilds and doers\" I reworded my statement I hope that is more correct.

Originally posted by Pip
\"All issues and contents of the assembly will remain secret. No one is to know any details of the assembly, including your attendance, unless the expressed consent of the entire council.\"
Why the secrecy? What do you have to hide?

It is called confidentiality so that members of SKoY can state their opinion and not feel that the information they bring to the SKoY meetings will get into the hands like lets say .... people who are not apart of SKoY <----The point to this statement and the word confidentiality.

If this is not correct then please due let me know Easton. *grumbles that she should have known to stay out of it and curses her hot headedness*

[Anfa]

Originally posted by zorbels

It is called confidentiality so that members of SKoY can state their opinion and not feel that the information they bring to the SKoY meetings will get into the hands like lets say .... people who are not apart of SKoY <----The point to this statement and the word confidentiality.

Thank you Easton for your time and patience in answering my questions but this pretty much does it for me.
The us and them mentality is slightly disturbing for a group who proclaims to want to help all.
It is not what you intended I\'m sure but seems to be prevailing amongst your members who have posted on this thread and other parts of this forum
.
I wish you much luck in your endeavor.

Fare thee well,

Anfa

[zorbels]

Originally posted by Anfa

Originally posted by zorbels

It is called confidentiality so that members of SKoY can state their opinion and not feel that the information they bring to the SKoY meetings will get into the hands like lets say .... people who are not apart of SKoY <----The point to this statement and the word confidentiality.

Thank you Easton for your time and patience in answering my questions but this pretty much does it for me.
The us and them mentality is slightly disturbing for a group who proclaims to want to help all.
It is not what you intended I\'m sure but seems to be prevailing amongst your members who have posted on this thread and other parts of this forum
.
I wish you much luck in your endeavor.

Fare thee well,

Anfa

Anfa there is not mentality of \"Us and them\" in my books with my own personal opinions. I was simply answering a question that pip had asked with my own opinion. I don\'t like to see a certain group of people implying that SKoY is secretive. I have never been to a SKoY meeting, and I didn\'t help set it up SKoY or it\'s system. I get the distinct impression that you think I am apart of SKoY and if you do then you are right only in one way. My guild is apart of SKoY. Other than that all of what I have said come from my own personal opinion, not SKoY\'s.

[Easton]

Originally posted by Anfa
Thank you Easton for your time and patience in answering my questions but this pretty much does it for me.
The us and them mentality is slightly disturbing for a group who proclaims to want to help all.
It is not what you intended I\'m sure but seems to be prevailing amongst your members who have posted on this thread and other parts of this forum.

Probably the most disappointing post so far. All that and you still think there is an \"us and them\" mentality?

*Easton passes out on the floor*

@Janner-  If you\'re going to find every flaw in my word choice, well, by all means enjoy yourself. I\'d also like to note that i wrote this....

By Easton 14.03.2006, 05:56
Maybe she knew that we are made up of a large part of the guild population in Yliakum . Im not saying we represent everyone, or anything like that. She just knew that if we supported her, then her slide into power would be that much easier. As for the Vigesmi.. Yes, they are supposed to elect the octarch. Xillix was planning to do that the other way around. Hence our disapproval of what she was doing.

...after you had claimed that i had said that. Now, if your goal is to frustrate me until i start mixing up my words, then by all means, continue to do so. Because we know that it is not the words that matter, it is the intention and the action. We could say we are taking over the world.. who cares. I know in the very deepest part of me that what we are doing is innocent, and for the good of all who wish to join.

With that said, i hope we can move on maybe?

Easton Ghent

[r.guppy]

Not even the members of SCoY seem to be clear about the aims and purposes, your explanations have been at best vague, so my initial instinct when finding out about it seems to be right. I have done with it now.

 PS checked back through this thread, neither Pip nor I said anything about large part of the guild population in Yliakum before you did.

 I wish you luck.

[Eolius]

Originally posted by r.guppy
Not even the members of SCoY seem to be clear about the aims and purposes, your explanations have been at best vague, so my initial instinct when finding out about it seems to be right. I have done with it now.

 PS checked back through this thread, neither Pip nor I said anything about large part of the guild population in Yliakum before you did.

 I wish you luck.

I really have to disagree with you, we know what we are and we know what our purpose is. The fact that some cling to question of semantics doesn\'t mean that we don\'t know anything about the aims or purposes of the SCoY. The fact that not all the guilds are a part of SCoY is because they either refused to join us prefering to conduct they\'re own activityes either they weren\'t yet invited. Let\'s not forget that SCoY is a young organisation still but i think that if you would take some time and look at what we acomplished you\'ll see that we haven\'t been sitting on our hands. Our purpose is (as stated in the official and public website ) \"to ensure the well-being of all in Yliakum by learning about and preventing any conflicts from destroying the peace that we all hold dear\". You can think of us as mediators for conflicts, not as a government and certainly not as a threat to any guild or anybody. That\'s why we also accept evil guilds amongst us. If certain guilds are not invited, well... you have to think about the quality of the guilds that nowdays populate Yliakum. There are guilds with no purpose at all, guilds that are mass recruiting without having any standards as far as they\'re members are concerned, in short, guilds that are like mushrooms, now you see them and tomorrow they are gone. I\'m not flaming anybody here and i\'m also not pointing fingers by saying that. I think Easton\'s explanations were preety concise so if you stop listening to your instincts and actually read them you\'ll see that there is no point of acusing us of not knowing what we are doing.

[Easton]

/me smiles and points to Eolius

\"What he said..\"

Easton Ghent

[Anfa]

Originally posted by Eolius
 If certain guilds are not invited, well... you have to think about the quality of the guilds that nowdays populate Yliakum.  

Did noone tell you Eolius?

All guilds are welcomed, they don\'t have to wait for an invitation....

Sigh

I give up..

Anfa

[zorbels]

*claps* Well said Lord Eolius

[Valbrandr]

What is everyone really argueing about here?  Most of the people I see argueing against the aims of this organization, dont seem to be the types to be against it.  It would be one thing if you didnt agree with its aims/goals but just to nit pick is not so cool.  But what Easton is really going to need is help.  Ive done this exact thing before.. and its tough.  Trying to keep everything organized and everyone informed.  No easy task is ahead of him.  Thankfully it seems like he has plenty of good help.  But instead of saying why you dont like it, make suggestions about how it should be changed, or join and try to help fix/guide the organization itself.  Sitting back is really the worst thing to do I think.

[Easton]

Originally posted by Anfa

Originally posted by Eolius
 If certain guilds are not invited, well... you have to think about the quality of the guilds that nowdays populate Yliakum.  

Did noone tell you Eolius?

All guilds are welcomed, they don\'t have to wait for an invitation....

Sigh

I give up..

Anfa

Well, you are the one confused Milady.. He was refering to how Janner was annoyed that his guild was not invited in the beginning. Because in the beginning we only invited guilds.

Easton Ghent