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« Reply #105 on: March 31, 2006, 09:45:33 pm »
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Keep it in game, i think his post answers that.
I am just stating my thoughts.as was Nalain Tarek


Well you are repeating the same statement again and again ....


 Nope sorry i haven\'t said it before.the first part.

 (*We are not curently representing those who are independant from guilds, however, we wish to implement a system to do so in the future*)

But this is new from your web sight. expansion plans already .
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« Reply #106 on: March 31, 2006, 11:54:15 pm »
Despite the fact we don\'t feel your critique is constructive and despite that we don\'t agree with most of what you are saying about SCoY we do listen and YOU were the one that said that it wasn\'t fair we didn\'t give them a voice and so that is being looked into..

As for keeping it ingame. Are you serious? Better have a look at your own posts.
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« Reply #107 on: April 01, 2006, 12:08:14 am »
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As for keeping it ingame. Are you serious? Better have a look at your own posts.


 Erm was replying to zorbels post there She wont\'s it in game you don\'t, are you both on the same side or not.
 As for my post, I may be crud in the way I go about things but I try to get my point over, were as you all seam to differ on how to do things.

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« Reply #108 on: April 01, 2006, 01:11:18 am »
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Erm was replying to zorbels post there She wont\'s it in game you don\'t, are you both on the same side or not.
 As for my post, I may be crud in the way I go about things but I try to get my point over, were as you all seam to differ on how to do things.



Might I remind you Janner of this .......

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I have never been to a SCoY meeting, and I didn\'t help set it up SCoY or it\'s system. My guild is apart of SCoY. Other than that all of what I have said come from my own personal opinions, not SCoY\'s.


I know the same information about SCoY as you Janner. I don\'t appreciate being mocked. I haven\'t sat down with Pestilence to discuss anything with him so it is most probable that our opinions will be different. Of course we are on the same \"side,\" we both believe in SCoY. I push for in game because this would make great roleplay and spice things up. I believe this can be dealt with in character. All of our opinions are here on this thread and now is the time to bring it into game other wise is it not considered spam? I happen to not agree fully with Pestilence second last post, though some points are noted and I partially agree. That does not make us \"not on the same side.\"  You will never have a group of people who work together and agree on everything all the time. I feel you are just trying to sabotage SCoY with remarks that really have nothing to do with SCoY anyway. What does it matter if I want it in game and Pestilence feels it is better dealt with here? That has nothing to do with SCoY and what it stands for, or the good it can do for the community. Let me ask you something? Why not give SCoY a chance? If it fails then you can have a \"See I told you so!\" moment. I hope through all of this I do not offend you Janner because that is not my intention. I just hope that this negitive on SCoY can stop soon, and that this thread could be fill more with positive comments and helping those in SCoY be constructive and prosper. Like I said before the people who put this organization together deserve a little respect.

[Edit] I also forgot to mention that this has and will continue to be talked about in game. There are many who have used it in the roleplay.
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« Reply #109 on: April 01, 2006, 01:37:34 am »
My intention was not to mock you zorbels, mearly pointing out Pestilence point of view.

 As for positive comments, that is up to players to do so if they wish.


 \"Like I said before the people who put this organization together deserve a little respect.\"
 YOU have a right to think that I have a right NOT too.

 Plane and simple I dont see a need for this SCoY. You do.
 
 Are guild leaders that weak they cant decide for there self or within there guilds what to do. Must it be put to the vote or whot ever SCoY do.

 I am sorry but cant see why it was felt a need for this SCoY.

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« Reply #110 on: April 01, 2006, 01:47:58 am »
What is the most basic point of a guild? To band people of similar convictions. What is the most basic point and purpose of a larger organization, then, Janner?
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« Reply #111 on: April 01, 2006, 01:52:20 am »
If you don\'t like it, then don\'t join it.  Problem solved.  Can we go home now?
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« Reply #112 on: April 01, 2006, 02:39:23 am »
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What is the most basic point of a guild? To band people of similar convictions. What is the most basic point and purpose of a larger organization, then, Janner?


Well i think you need to read there web page and find out, Also i point out they intend to band good evil chaos and order all four different and cant possibly be of one mind.

 So you tell me how it will work because i cant see a way it will, also been talking to let us say the other side of good in game and they fell the same, also would like to point out only good alined guilds so far been posted as joining.

 So stop clamming to represent guilds as you only have one of four sides to guilds to speak for.

 Also would like to know what guild Easton was in before forming his new guild, as I understand it from reading rules for guilds by guilds and guilds on council, If he did not belong to a guild then it contradicts him being President.

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« Reply #113 on: April 01, 2006, 04:47:52 am »
I\'m not even going to quote you janner. I was in Swords of Ghent as i know you well know. the fact that you act like you just forgot is infuriating. and if you actually forgot, then consider me furious. Secondly, i went through some hard times, and i was forced to disband my guild. this is both a personal situation, and one i hold very closely and consider a serious failure of mine. I thank you for showing absolutely no respect. (in case you did not understand, that was a sarcastic comment.)

Me not being in a guild actually worked out for me. Because, as im *sure* you know Janner, the president does not vote in everyday votes unless there is a tie in the votes. Therefore, it doesn\'t matter if im in a guild or not. if im in one, i have two ambassadors who speak on behalf of the guild. if im not in a guild, then it works to have an independent president. But, if you were to object to my lacking of a guild (which is odd as you have a guild for those who wish not to be in guilds) well, i have a guild now. We are called the Survivors of Berne. In fact, we have a purpose Janner, and we have a forum post too. A whole RP story and everything. yep..

Janner, i reject any friendship we may have ever had. you have insulted me and my friends for the last time. Everyone knows i can handle criticism, and i have, and i was ready for criticism. But what you have displayed in this thread has completely discredited you. I supported you when others laughed in your face. I didn\'t have to. But i did. and now, you have nothing but petty arguments about things that don\'t make any sense. nor do they affect you in any way. And you refuse to acknowledge a guild i had. a guild i had pride in. I recognize your \"nonguild\" and you turn around and deny the existence of my guild, and a council i set up.

Also, ive seen you several times in game, and you have mentioned nothing to me about your thoughts on this in any in character way.

Take a step back and think about what you\'re doing to yourself here. I promise you that this council will not dissolve because of anything you do. We would like to work with you to improve ourselves in your eyes, but you have given us nothing. not one thing. just accusing two people who don\'t even sit on the council, of disagreeing. The council, janner, is based on disagreement. We will all disagree, especially as we grow, and more guilds with different thoughts bring their two tria to the table. you refuse to even recognize that table. so fine. the table will never suit you i guess. no problem. but just know, that you have ruined many potential friendships. good luck making a living in a hostile world janner. because you\'re going to be very very alone. and don\'t bother apologizing. im not in a forgiving mood after what you have said here.

i hope anyone who reads this takes note of what i have said, and then reads the janner\'s way thread, along with this entire thread from beginning to end. ALSO-- take note that the council did propose Janner\'s way addition to the council but then he disbanded his guild and left Yliakum.

EDIT: from the janner\'s way thread after many people criticized his lack of organization: *reads the entire thread*

to get back to the point of havign a \"guild thread\", i would like to wish you luck Janner. any sort of a safe haven is simply that, and i can understand the frustration with mass-recruiters. so i hope to see that your guild continues to provide people with a place to go where no other guilds can invite them until they get so fed up they decide to leave Planeshift..

that was the objective part.. here comes the small, vague, generalization part of the post that is merely and completely subjective..

people are way too uptight around here it seems as of late. a guild is a guild.. is a guild. if you don\'t like it, ignore it. and Talamir: please don\'t ever reply to a post if you didn\'t read it. you know how ignorant that is.

Good luck Sir Janner!
 


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« Reply #114 on: April 01, 2006, 10:10:23 am »
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I\'m not even going to quote you janner. I was in Swords of Ghent as i know you well know. the fact that you act like you just forgot is infuriating. and if you actually forgot, then consider me furious. Secondly, i went through some hard times, and i was forced to disband my guild. this is both a personal situation, and one i hold very closely and consider a serious failure of mine. I thank you for showing absolutely no respect. (in case you did not understand, that was a sarcastic comment.)
Me not being in a guild actually worked out for me. Because, as im *sure* you know Janner, the president does not vote in everyday votes unless there is a tie in the votes. Therefore, it doesn\'t matter if im in a guild or not. if im in one, i have two ambassadors who speak on behalf of the guild. if im not in a guild, then it works to have an independent president. But, if you were to object to my lacking of a guild (which is odd as you have a guild for those who wish not to be in guilds) well, i have a guild now. We are called the Survivors of Berne. In fact, we have a purpose Janner, and we have a forum post too. A whole RP story and everything. yep..

 For your personal reasons i am sorry. but nothing to do with the point i was trying to make you were without a guild, yet you were the head of a guild of guilds, whereas no others could be, that was my point.
 

Janner, i reject any friendship we may have ever had. you have insulted me and my friends for the last time. Everyone knows i can handle criticism, and i have, and i was ready for criticism. But what you have displayed in this thread has completely discredited you. I supported you when others laughed in your face. I didn\'t have to. But i did. and now, you have nothing but petty arguments about things that don\'t make any sense. nor do they affect you in any way. And you refuse to acknowledge a guild i had. a guild i had pride in. I recognize your \"nonguild\" and you turn around and deny the existence of my guild, and a council i set up.

 Thats ok by me, you not liking me, Discredited ? you can think and say what you like, so can I. As for your support I thank you in that and did so in my thread. Like you if I fell something is wrong i say so. I don\'t deny you were in a guild previously. I pointed out you were not in a guild yet you were in a position no non guild member could be in.

Also, ive seen you several times in game, and you have mentioned nothing to me about your thoughts on this in any in character way.

 Works both ways you are the one trying to sell this, you to could have talked to me.

Take a step back and think about what you\'re doing to yourself here. I promise you that this council will not dissolve because of anything you do. We would like to work with you to improve ourselves in your eyes, but you have given us nothing. not one thing. just accusing two people who don\'t even sit on the council, of disagreeing. The council, janner, is based on disagreement. We will all disagree, especially as we grow, and more guilds with different thoughts bring their two tria to the table. you refuse to even recognize that table. so fine. the table will never suit you i guess. no problem. but just know, that you have ruined many potential friendships. good luck making a living in a hostile world janner. because you\'re going to be very very alone. and don\'t bother apologizing. im not in a forgiving mood after what you have said here.

 Sounds like a threat to me, very in with your rules, so much for sorting out problems for others if you resort to Threats .

i hope anyone who reads this takes note of what i have said, and then reads the janner\'s way thread, along with this entire thread from beginning to end. ALSO-- take note that the council did propose Janner\'s way addition to the council but then he disbanded his guild and left Yliakum.

EDIT: from the janner\'s way thread after many people criticized his lack of organization: *reads the entire thread*

to get back to the point of havign a \"guild thread\", i would like to wish you luck Janner. any sort of a safe haven is simply that, and i can understand the frustration with mass-recruiters. so i hope to see that your guild continues to provide people with a place to go where no other guilds can invite them until they get so fed up they decide to leave Planeshift..

that was the objective part.. here comes the small, vague, generalization part of the post that is merely and completely subjective..

people are way too uptight around here it seems as of late. a guild is a guild.. is a guild. if you don\'t like it, ignore it. and Talamir: please don\'t ever reply to a post if you didn\'t read it. you know how ignorant that is.

Good luck Sir Janner!
 


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Wont bother replying to rest exempt yes please do read my guild post if you wont, the last post by you still needs a answer, i supplied the proof you asked and still waiting for a reply in the thread, yes i got your PM.
Good luck to you too.
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« Reply #115 on: April 01, 2006, 05:38:48 pm »
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 so fine. the table will never suit you i guess. no problem. but just know, that you have ruined many potential friendships. good luck making a living in a hostile world janner. because you\'re going to be very very alone. and don\'t bother apologizing. im not in a forgiving mood after what you have said here.

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Guess he\'ll have to live and love outside of SCoY like the rest of us.

Anfa waves at Janner


Congratulations on looking into a way of allowing non-guild peoples of Yialkum to have a voice in your council.  I am eager to see how you manage such a complicated problem of so many sharing one or two voices when they have no united beginning. [not already in a guild to start is what I mean about united beginning]

And good luck on your SCoY

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« Reply #116 on: April 01, 2006, 06:23:57 pm »
my personal problems with janner..er.. his personal problems with me, do not affect whether or not janner\'s way is accepted into the council. if he wanted to, he could join and there\'d be no problem, but he won\'t. he\'s too busy picking apart everything while providing nothing for the rest of us. im beginning to wonder if janner\'s way is a guild of chaotic alignment, as that would make a bit more sense.

Back to Topic....

The DE is entering the council. along with the Hidden Mentors, and the Dark Shadows. so let\'s all welcome the newest guilds to enter the SCoY.

Stay Safe,
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« Reply #117 on: April 01, 2006, 07:06:35 pm »
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my personal problems with janner..er.. his personal problems with me, do not affect whether or not janner\'s way is accepted into the council.



*evil grin*


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The DE is entering the council.



*gasp* An evil guild among your ranks?  Perhaps Janner was right about everything!




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« Reply #118 on: April 01, 2006, 09:11:02 pm »
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So you tell me how it will work because i cant see a way it will, also been talking to let us say the other side of good in game and they fell the same, also would like to point out only good alined guilds so far been posted as joining.



That is what I meant by sit back and watch. *Points below to her quote* You don\'t get something to work without testing it first. For heaven\'s sake  SCoY just came to be, and your already expecting miracles.

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 Let me ask you something? Why not give SCoY a chance? If it fails then you can have a \"See I told you so!\" moment.


As for these people that have the same opinion. Are you now their spokes person Janner? Or can they be brave enough to voice their own opinion\'s so that we know that \"these people feel the same way\" do exsist.
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« Reply #119 on: April 01, 2006, 09:55:55 pm »
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Back to Topic....

The DE is entering the council. along with the Hidden Mentors, and the Dark Shadows. so let\'s all welcome the newest guilds to enter the SCoY.

Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent

Lies ....
Propaganda ? using such a method to make advertising isn\'t fair ...  You just discredit the DE from their allies.
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