another post on to RP or not to RP

[Isra]

Well I`m going to make this short , there is a thing that puzzles me , i keep hearing of \"roleplay sessions\" and \"roleplay events\" . Is the ideea, to make RP a special thing on PS, a thing that requires sessions or special events to take place? I thought that PS was supposed to be a RolePlayGame, not an hack&slash with Rp events.
There is a theory...
When ever you try to mix to things that oppose each other, the outcome would be contradictory to both.
At this moment, Planeshift is just that...neither roleplay, nor hack&slash.
Role play can\'t be organized, RP is continuos,
Every one is comaring RP to real life, so wtf i should do the same
What would you do in rl, whenever you actually do something , you call it an event? In the rest of the time, you only walk in circles or something, you stay out of character...
Now back to Planeshift, roleplaying is impossible, when 80% of all players choose wilingly to just ignore all RolePlay.
Could you possible live in real life, if 80% of all people near you would be just brainless chaotic ppl

[zanzibar]

RP is continuous.  There are also events and sessions which are more organized.  Events are good because it means that more people are aware of what\'s going on, more people can be involved in what happens, and stories which have structure can be better executed.

[neko kyouran]

Not to say this is game is anything like .hack\\\\Legend of the Twilights last bracelet  (.hack\\\\dusk) but there are similarities.  As zanzy said, RP, in itself is continuous.  And that is what happening withthe game right now.  Look at what a player cando to earn a living in game at the moment.  They can either fight baddies, or fight baddies.  (sorry, to all those miners, but really, at this stage, it\'s not worth the time.)  along withthe every day to day doings of the worlds people, there are times like events and stuff that take place.  To spice up the world.  We have events here in RL too.  They are called holidays, cellebrations, missions, trips, wars, etc.  RP is continuous, and the events make the continuous RP dynamic.  Also, this is a game still in its earlier stages.  It is not near completetion nor even v1.0, so what you see right now, will more than likely not be the norm as it gets closer to even a beta version.

Also, while this is a rp game, this is still an alpha, so the main focus of the game right now is testing and fixing bugs.  That needs to be taken into consideration.

[steuben]

Originally posted by Isra
Could you possible live in real life, if 80% of all people near you would be just brainless chaotic ppl

i think you\'re being generous there. 80%... from my experience it is closer to 95-98%. so from that perspective ps is like rl.

[LigH]

Isra,

good to see you still here, not yet leaving forever...

All I can tell you is: Meet the right people. There are several players who love to do roleplaying, and if they would not have technical issues at the moment, you would have seen one session after another in the last weeks (whereas \"session\" in this case means \"a plot made by a player, where other players are invited to take part\").

Unfortunately, not every player here is skilled enough to plan a session for dozens of possible participants. Our skills in writing stories and plots differs. But I can assure you: Even if they did not yet make one, several people love to join a plot.

Please answer my PM, we don\'t want to miss you! Meet us and get to know us. The three last issues of \"Gag\'s Diary\" might give you a slight hint about it, they were not based on official RP eventy by GMs, but on RP sessions by players. Also read about Lolitra\'s past, and expect us to defeat Hagarath soon - which means: as soon as they get a working PC back from the repair and delivery companies.

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Originally posted by neko kyouran
Look at what a player cando to earn a living in game at the moment.  They can either fight baddies, or fight baddies.

Or they may develop to the point when they understand, that fighting and raising skills is not required to play a role.

Okay, good stats and skills help to survive a step into the wrong direction. But ... it should not prevent you from joining a roleplaying session, not to have all stats maxed yet.

[Thyme]

As someone who is only starting to learn how to role play though PS, I think it\'s important to make sure that the game is open to all kinds of players.  At first I was uncertain about RPing since I had never done it before and it seemed a little intimidating and complicated, but a few very skilled and kind players helped me through and encouraged me.

I think a lot of people just need this kind of encouragement.  It\'s hard to get involved with RP when others judge you.  I can understand how those who constantly refuse to respect the RP of others can ruin the atmosphere, but maybe those people just need some more gentle encouragement.

Perhaps more tips on how to get involved in RP on the player guide would help as well.  I know that it took me a while to figure out even how to distinguish between what I wanted to do IC and OOC... and to a certain extent, they\'re still very linked (which I think makes me a less interesting RPer)

Anyway, Isra, I hope you don\'t leave PS for good... you haven\'t even gotten a massage from me yet!

[zorbels]

I have to agree with Thyme\'s post on so many levels. I have been playing planeshift for about seven months now. When I first strated I was also clueless how to roleplay. With support and inspiration from good roleplayers I was pleased to find I to could develope this skill and enjoy creating my character. As I am coming to find out Isra you can start off in this game with a bang but the real challenge is being able to stay with it and not becoming bored. It is up to you to create a roleplay if you find you aren\'t seeing enough. Set an example, come up with stories, or help others with their roleplay. Teach the new comers how to so that there starts to be more roleplay activity. Nobody in PS is your entertainer, only you are.

To try and put realism into PS at this point is impossible. I think the devs are more focused on getting things implimented and working right, so that we have an enviroment to roleplay in. Patience is greatly needed. If you are finding that you are truly that frustrated with the goings on in PS then maybe it is time for a break. Either way I wish you luck.

[edit] I also wanted to take the time to say, Thyme thank you for the great session of short roleplay in the tavern the other day.  I was pleasently surprized and quite enjoyed myself.  

[zanzibar]

The game is only what you make it to be for yourself.

[Ralas]

I think, by this point the distinction between events and everyday Role-Play should be clear; events tend to be larger and publicized, whereas everyday Role-Play just happens.

Personally, I prefere the latter.  To me it is more realistic and more enjoyable to RP with a small group.  The dynamics of personal relationships get emphasized, and to me that is a major part of RP.

Sometimes, even this method takes a bit of work.  Sometimes nothing happens unless you find a way to make something happen.  But if you\'re in a group of four or five people (or even fewer), then not everyone has to come up with story line.  One person\'s idea can be enough to spark a session that can last for weeks, changing as other people respond to it.

At other times, things just seem to happen.  Maybe this is always do to the inspiration of someone else that I\'m just not seeing--but it feels as if PS takes on a life of it\'s own, where my character and that of a friend or two end up in a situation that none of us planned.

This kind of RP is certainly not discouraged.  Be your character all of the time (never mind the loonies).  When events happen, enjoy them if you find them enjoyable.  But they are by no means necessary for RP.

[davo]

this game used to be rp in my opinion.

going to the pub and having some drinks and talking, weddings and such, talking to agara karyuu sangwaa gonomist and pogo to name a few.

now its just the oposite and is more about fighting than kindess.

thats why i only played mb for about 5 minutes and have never played since it came out.

i miss cb

[Karyuu]

Er.. you\'re playing CB :P Or rather, you\'re not. You miss MB, no doubt ;)

We always knew that combat would draw in more people - everyone joked about it and made all sorts of bizarre \"prophecies,\" but this could hardly be a surprise. MB had a smaller community, but CB has more diversity. It\'s true that roleplay isn\'t as common as it once was, but I honestly see more people complaining on the forums than doing anything about this in-game :P Whenever I\'m on as Karyuu I would like to think that I do lots to let newcomers know how fun RP can be, so why are some other people giving up and throwing their hands in the air?

If you care, do something.

[zorbels]

Originally posted by davo
this game used to be rp in my opinion.

going to the pub and having some drinks and talking, weddings and such, talking to agara karyuu sangwaa gonomist and pogo to name a few.

now its just the oposite and is more about fighting than kindess.

thats why i only played mb for about 5 minutes and have never played since it came out.

i miss cb

And it still is a Roleplaying game......

I have noticed the one thing that stands between the new generation CB and old from MB , it is called change. Everyone in CB was obviously tight and knew one and other. Well things change and either you change with them or you don\'t and walk off in a huff like so many oldbie\'s I have seen do. Where are these people who claim to be great roleplayers and where is the guidance to show us \"newbies\" what is expected or what it used to be like? The fun you discribe going to the pub and attending weddings, and the talking with friends. That all still happens. I know because I do it. The good times are still there to be had, it is just a shame people would rather miss it and do nothing and forget, then try and create that sort of magic again. As for the fighting and hack and slash, of course it is there. There just isn\'t enough to do, not enough reliable people to roleplay with. I believe once there is more to be had in this world, we will have more to roleplay with and then planeshift will be what it was created for .... roleplay.

[davo]

sorry i got the names mixed up ergh.

well roleplaying was real, not just pretend.

like playing hide and go seek and the real gossip and such.

It was exclusive to patient and friendly people and it was good to see ****heads getting annoyed about no fighting and just leaving the game for good.

now its down to the guy with the best sword or skills, not the nice guy who wants to assosiate with ppl.

sure its still there but  its just not the same.

why would people reaaallyy role play when they can attack things and people that do want to talk are a small percentage cause ****heads that used to leave now stay cause of fighting and just randoms.

i could go to runescape or WoW to just talk and such but its just not the same and exclusive.

I couldnt change it.  Because the fighting attracts a different croud, a croud that wants to fight rats and stuff.

its like putting children next to a playground and giving them a choice to talk or play on the swings.  lol bad example but ergh.

[zanzibar]

Well, there are levels of it.  I know for a fact that there are a number of newer players trying to become role players, but they don\'t quite \"get it\".  When they talk, they\'re using numbers about stats every other sentence.  It went something like this....


some player - \"Ha, you puny dwarf!  Do you think you can defeat me?  I hit for 300 per round!\"
other player - \"Whoa.... I\'ve only been playing for two weeks!  I only hit for 20!\"
me - \"[Hi... numbers are out character]\"
me - \"What\'s all this talk of fighting?\"
some player - \"I hate all dwarves!  I will kill all dwarves that I find, and those who support them!  Look in my profile for a list of those I have killed.\"
me - \"I will not tolerate a biggot.  You will die by my hand!\"
*we fight and I win, using a non-exploit trick to increase my HP*
other player - \"Wow!  Now I know never to fight you, you must have tonnes of HP points!\"
some player tells me - \"I dealt over 950 damage to you, you must have used potions - that duel was without honour!\"




There was other stuff that happened and it didn\'t go down quite like that, but I hope that communicates the idea.  Some people are trying.... but they aren\'t quite sure how to do it with transparency.

[Father Sengus]

Zanzibar, I love meeting those players because they really try their best, and often have the potential to become great RP:ers with just a little help.

Now, Davo...I always get annoyed at people who make bad comments on movies I like and then end their argumentation with \"I even fell asleep after half the movie\". You\'re doing the same thing now.
No offense, but I don\'t think you are in a position to make statements about CB, having only played it for 5 mins. In such a short period of time, I doubt that you had the time to meet up with many RP:ers, even less build a fair opinion on their RP.
MB was fun, I agree, but I\'ve seen much better RP in CB. I loved to play Hide and Go Seek, but it wasn\'t like our characters went \"Hoohooo I\'ve been waiting all week to play Hide and Go Seek!\". It was quite OOC.
I say: go ingame and walk around for a little while. If you see no RP going on, which I really doubt, you can always start some...
Hope to see you ingame. You too Isra.