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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2006, 03:25:58 pm »
i\'m going to call supporting links on that one, zanzibar.

becuase of one rather simple question. why should the towers have fallen over?
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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2006, 03:30:34 pm »
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ermmm why would the government (which is made up of lots of people) not just one persons idea want to do that ?

sorry if the answers are in there, i dont want to watch it again.

why do buildings falling down always turn into such controversial and weird reasons.

Sounds like one of those \'roswell things\' where people see planes taking off from military bases and think they are ufo\'s and can somehow support it with some statement from some politician.

The video brings up some good points, but id say its a bit overated and im kinda sceptical when it comes to things of this nature.




There are major differences between a building collapsing and a building being demolished by controlled explosions.

When a building is demolished, it essentially implodes in on itself instead of tipping over.  You destroy the support structures so it caves in.

Testimony and science give a convincing argument that the buildings were demolished by explosives inside of the building.  Testimony and evidence seem to suggest that government officials helped the explosives enter the building.


ok thats all well and good.

WHY would the government help.

Wouldent terrorists put explosives in the buildings anyway.

looks like it just colapsed because of a big hole in the centre.

the top fell down floor onto floor.

sure there may be suspicouse things or weird colapsing going on doesent mean the government wanted to blow up its own important building.

the governent are humans with lives too, not just hatefull demolition experts.
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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2006, 11:30:54 pm »
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ok thats all well and good.

WHY would the government help.



Why would the U.S. government start genocide in Cambodia, or ignore genocide in Sudan, or go to war with Vietnam, or bomb hospitals in Iraq, or give biochemical weapons to Sudam Hussein, or assassinate Kennedy, or mess with elections to get Nixon and Bush elected, or glorify Reagan as a good president, or encourage private healthcare, or give tax cuts to major corporations, or make up excuses to go to war with Cuba and Spain, or set up the Taliban and ignore them for so long.  Why would the U.S. government do any of these things?
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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2006, 01:48:50 am »
I am not an American, but I certainly do not believe the US government orchestrated 9/11 for their own benefit.  The GOP is not so evil as to kill thousands of their own.   I do however believe that immediate action was not taken when the first plane hit... they did tend to almost let it happen.  But we all know of the plan for \"New American Century\" of which the GOP are a part of.  Controlling Iraq/Afghanistan is an extremely beneficial (and required) thing in the grand schemes of the PNAC.  The GOP got VERY lucky and used 9/11 to eventually get control of Iraq.  Iran may be next.

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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2006, 01:59:23 am »
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  The GOP is not so evil as to kill thousands of their own.

I dissagree with this point of view. And well, alot of other views in this thread too :P

I think the government has done millions of dastardly things in the past 230 something years of existance. However, besides what you read out of the text book, you haven\'t heard about them. Seriously, the government spends 24 hours a day, 365 days a year with a $6 1/2 trillion budget. If they wanted to get away with it, do you really think you\'d read about it, or see it on the news?

These people have more time on their hands than some vigilante internet combing nerd. These same people who post these kinds of videos proclaim \"The governements has set us up a hooge conspiracy!1\" Then twenty seconds later they explain that the government despite all it\'s time and effor has somehow leaked it\'s most private information, like a phone call from Condie Rice (No, it wasn\'t Rumsfeld or Bush, you gotta blame it on the black woman.  :rolleyes: ). Give the government a little more credit for pete\'s sake.  If they really wanted to keep it from you, I doubt you\'d EVER. EVER. EVER. Ever hear about it. Ever. :O

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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2006, 02:13:20 am »
I live in American and don\'t belive that it is the goverments falt.  Frist of all it was a supraes to everyone.  No one expected the world tradesenter to fall.

We could have been more prepared, for one.  It would be more spected that we new about it before hand, if we had stoped the planes, would it not.

Unless you can tell the futher.  You would not have know this would happen.

As was said early bliudings usely fall down on top of them selfs.  There has never been a bluding as big as the world tradecenter that had fallen.
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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2006, 03:46:32 am »
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I live in American and don\'t belive that it is the goverments falt.  Frist of all it was a supraes to everyone.  No one expected the world tradesenter to fall.

We could have been more prepared, for one.  It would be more spected that we new about it before hand, if we had stoped the planes, would it not.

Unless you can tell the futher.  You would not have know this would happen.

As was said early bliudings usely fall down on top of them selfs.  There has never been a bluding as big as the world tradecenter that had fallen.




Did you watch the video?

Maybe you should watch the video before making your next post.
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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2006, 05:47:37 am »
mmm i can see why some aussies call americans seppos.

How would the government create money, get more power and not create more work forthemselves by blowing up 2 of the most important buildings....
i still have no reasons why.

WHY do these conspiracies involve an american and a stupid videio with dodgey evidence.  The evidence here is just the same to support anything like murders and car crashes and house fires saying it was the government.

stupid evidence like the 1 person saying lots of warnings and then a secound guy saying no warnings...that doesent really mean Sh** just 2 people with different opinions.
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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2006, 06:59:35 am »
The president will never be the scapegoat for black ops as long as he cooperates--and they always do.

True highrise buildings are designed with built in self destruct explosives AS REQUIRED BY CODE in case the building ever collapses--it will implode to it\'s foundations rather than destroy all the surrounding communities (for 3 to 10 miles with blowout) very devastating with the dominoe effect of more buildings falling.  The unplanned part of the implosion is that the system was damaged enough by the explosion on one floor, that it did not detect that the floors above the impact were splayed, and therefore did not activate until a lower floor collapsed from structural meltdown in the heat.



The reason the U.S. and not only the U.S. but also all the western european countries, all the global corporations (China included) would desire Afghanistan and Iraq out of the way is because of the Caspian sea oil pipeline to the Persian Gulf--these two countries opposed it.  The future of all of the afforementioed organizations and then some are dependent on the approval and success of this pipeline (unless some very powerful people would approve of polluting the Mediteranean with oil tankers as acceptable = the alternative).  

Russia wanted to take over Afghanistan because it was one of the major regions for sourcing money for government black ops in the western world through drug traficking (which the U.S. was number one--largest drug cartel in the world).

Osama bin Laden was hired long ago as an operative by the us government to prevent USSR from overtaking the drug market from the us black ops.  All of his \"militia\" were trained and funded by US money up untill the Taliban gained power and shut down all the drug trade in Afghanistan.

The strangest part is that in the 6 months before 9/11 is the enormous amount of money that was channeled from us government accounts to the Al Qaida.  Moreover, when this came out on the news, the investigations findings were hushed up accross the board--even if it was an enemy government that paid them (called a risk to national security).

Stranger yet, is how national security has become an excuse to prevent nationwide news coverage.  Such as peace protests--such coverage is now considered to be a risk to national security (I guess they don\'t want it to become popular).  Also, these new sections of national security law--all reenacted and moreso after 9/11--are used to prevent immediate coverage of many public events and protests (like against WTO, or even anti-Bush).  All news coverage is limited to local only--until it is found to not \"disturb the national security\"--such as with public shock, outrage, or even uprising (yeah, like that is really going to happen in an apathetic country like the US is now).  Especially peace protests are now limited to local news then slowly spread accross the nation.

***By the way, did anyone in non-local area hear about the 20,000 people march in Pheonix Arizona this past weekend?***



WHY WOULD THE US GOVERNMENT, THE UN, BRITAIN, HUGE GLOBAL CORPORATIONS, ET AL WANT 9/11 TO HAPPEN?  (It is not a whole government or politically public action that they have taken, but people in it conducting a push for power.)

First, they never expected so many to be killed in the event--and they never thought rescuers would enter the building.

2--for a mere 3/4 of a billion they hired a scape goat to take the blame and become a world leader and hero of his people.

3--Now they can claim a legitimate way to open the Caspian sea pipline

4--The corporations involved have made over 100 billion dollars since the event through exercises taken in the name of it.

5--The united fascist movement in the United States has regained all of it\'s original authority and then some, making leaps and bounds in the control of American government, people, and the world.

6--Now, every government installled will be a united fascist republic, complete with backing from ________.  (Welcome to \"the post war world\")

7--The black ops divisions of the US now have full authority to overthrow and replace all operations which were established during the cold war.  These include fascist governments, drug cartels, and even some global corporations who believed they had become big enough to not support the weakening US fascisti regime--which is now the most powerful one in the world, and secret.


The question is--is this really all bad?  After all, EVERYTHING the developed world has was acquired through war and oppression (and they still oppress any and all of their own people who oppose them--even killing them if they happen upon enough power to influence a nit).  If they had not done these things in the past all the people would have suffered and died quite horribly--that is why they did it--is this why they do it now?

Horrors: the intelligence that knew of the plan, the target, and the perpetrators and knew they were boarding planes in the country.  The huge money that was paid from US, British, and other western government accounts to Al Qaida and the Taliban in the 6 to 9 months prior to 9/11--and the closing of the investigational findings which first started discovering these payments (even the one of the FBI hiring Palestinians to attack the US for $25000--isnt the fbi an internal law enforcement and intelligence agency?  I never knew the F could stand for \"foreign\"?  But nobody really cares--after all, we have to make a living, support our families, etc..)

Note to government:  Well, I may have said too much already, but since I haven\'t given sources and I haven\'t revealed anything I didn\'t already see on the news somewhere--THERE IS NO REASON TO INVESTIGATE ME, so leave me alone, and don\'t waste your time.  I haven\'t encouraged any riots, burning the bushes, or lynching Cheney for his part in it and the attempted murder of his attorney.  [There\'s a joke for you--a man who was raised with guns all around his crib, was taught safe handling of them all his life--accidently shoots his lawyer in the heart.  Ask any NRA member about the chances of that happening.

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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2006, 11:42:33 am »
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mmm i can see why some aussies call americans seppos.

How would the government create money, get more power and not create more work forthemselves by blowing up 2 of the most important buildings....
i still have no reasons why.




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« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2006, 03:40:29 pm »
I\'ve watched the movie and read the post. And i\'m speachless. I simply don\'t know what to think*OoOoh, Headache!*

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« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2006, 04:18:40 pm »
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True highrise buildings are designed with built in self destruct explosives AS REQUIRED BY CODE in case the building ever collapses--it will implode to it\'s foundations rather than destroy all the surrounding communities (for 3 to 10 miles with blowout) very devastating with the dominoe effect of more buildings falling.


care to back that one up?
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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2006, 12:19:45 am »
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True highrise buildings are designed with built in self destruct explosives AS REQUIRED BY CODE in case the building ever collapses--it will implode to it\'s foundations rather than destroy all the surrounding communities (for 3 to 10 miles with blowout) very devastating with the dominoe effect of more buildings falling.


care to back that one up?

What he meant was \"All true high rise building are required to have frame supports that are compatible with common explosives at joint frameworks so that when the building is ready to be taken down it can be done with relative ease.\" This is for demolition, not conpiracy. :P

I\'d love to see some real evidence for some of the extravagant claims made in this thread. Some of them make me truly chuckle, that is untill I realise how serious you are. Serious people truly scare me, expecially with such a radical viewpoint. Remember, radicalism on any side of the fence leads to destruction. So be sure you\'re making the right decision before you start acting or even killing for a cause like some of the anti-american sentiments you may read here.  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2006, 12:28:33 am »
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***By the way, did anyone in non-local area hear about the 20,000 people march in Pheonix Arizona this past week?***


So, did anyone hear of this protest outside Arizona or the Southwestern US?  Especially if you are in the US.

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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2006, 12:46:08 am »
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True highrise buildings are designed with built in self destruct explosives AS REQUIRED BY CODE in case the building ever collapses--it will implode to it\'s foundations rather than destroy all the surrounding communities (for 3 to 10 miles with blowout) very devastating with the dominoe effect of more buildings falling.


care to back that one up?

What he meant was \"All true high rise building are required to have frame supports that are compatible with common explosives at joint frameworks so that when the building is ready to be taken down it can be done with relative ease.\" This is for demolition, not conpiracy. :P

I\'d love to see some real evidence for some of the extravagant claims made in this thread. Some of them make me truly chuckle, that is untill I realise how serious you are. Serious people truly scare me, expecially with such a radical viewpoint. Remember, radicalism on any side of the fence leads to destruction. So be sure you\'re making the right decision before you start acting or even killing for a cause like some of the anti-american sentiments you may read here.  :rolleyes:


I guess believing Cheney would attempt to murder his lawyer in front of the secret service, and the secret service backing him up as innocent is a great deal more believable than architects designing in a safety measure to cause a true high-rise to collapse when structural failure occured--rather than fall over because they never collapse evenly unless they are demolished properly.

The freaky part in the video regarding the system, is that the gold was evacuated out the evacuation tunnels before it happened--and that the 7 story building was also demolished (perhaps all the buildings of the WTC were on the same circuit).
Oh, and the bit about the flights (7 & 11) were never scheduled to fly that day, and the planes with the FCC number for those two flights are still in use--even though all records show the planes for 7 & 11 were demolished.  EERIE.  (But totally believable, given the extent of the Bush family involvement.)

I do have a problem with the video though--wasn\'t it the new 767s that were used?  The video talks about 707 757, but I thought they were 767s.  Their size is more to the 767.

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