This video changed my life

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Kixie
I\'d love to see some real evidence for some of the extravagant claims made in this thread. Some of them make me truly chuckle, that is untill I realise how serious you are. Serious people truly scare me, expecially with such a radical viewpoint. Remember, radicalism on any side of the fence leads to destruction. So be sure you\'re making the right decision before you start acting or even killing for a cause like some of the anti-american sentiments you may read here.  :rolleyes:

There\'s been plenty of real evidence put on the table.  To make blanket statements like you have is to be nothing more than a troll looking for a reaction from others.

And no, I\'m not a radical.  The radicals are the ones who blew up the towers.

[Kixie]

Originally posted by Gripen

...I guess believing Cheney would attempt to murder his lawyer in front of the secret service, and the secret service backing him up as innocent...

Wait, what!? XD

Originally posted by Gripen The freaky part in the video regarding the system, is that the gold was evacuated out the evacuation tunnels before it happened--and that the 7 story building was also demolished (perhaps all the buildings of the WTC were on the same circuit

Wait, if all the gold was evacuated, then why did they start selling commemorative coins from the WTC vault a year after the towers fell? They specifically said that wreckage was so difficult to clean, that it took months to get the coins out. But, I\'m assuming they lied to me then?

Originally posted by zanzibar There\'s been plenty of real evidence put on the table. To make blanket statements like you have is to be nothing more than a troll looking for a reaction from others.

No, there hasn\'t been a single thread of evidence. Not a single link, verifyable quote or even photograph for any of your outrageous claims. I\'m not trolling around, trying to get any opinion out of anyone. I\'m trying to keep this damn thread balanced, instead of it resulting in a mass anti-U.S hate thread.

[Gripen]

Originally posted by Kixie

Originally posted by Gripen

...I guess believing Cheney would attempt to murder his lawyer in front of the secret service, and the secret service backing him up as innocent...

Wait, what!? XD

Originally posted by Gripen The freaky part in the video regarding the system, is that the gold was evacuated out the evacuation tunnels before it happened--and that the 7 story building was also demolished (perhaps all the buildings of the WTC were on the same circuit

Wait, if all the gold was evacuated, then why did they start selling commemorative coins from the WTC vault a year after the towers fell? They specifically said that wreckage was so difficult to clean, that it took months to get the coins out. But, I\'m assuming they lied to me then?

Originally posted by zanzibar There\'s been plenty of real evidence put on the table. To make blanket statements like you have is to be nothing more than a troll looking for a reaction from others.

No, there hasn\'t been a single thread of evidence. Not a single link, verifyable quote or even photograph for any of your outrageous claims. I\'m not trolling around, trying to get any opinion out of anyone. I\'m trying to keep this damn thread balanced, instead of it resulting in a mass anti-U.S hate thread.

The first quote is from my response to Stueben\'s inability to believe in the intelligence of architects, but not even notice what I said about Cheney.

The second quote comes from my reaction to the video--regarding the gold bars that were stored in the WTC, how only one fourth was recovered (from an abandoned 10 ton truck in the evacuation tunnel).

Kixie--you really should view the video.  The evidence Zanzi refers to is in the video--all from news coverage.  The link is in the very starting post of this thread (which is not a US hate thread, it is a wake up US thread).  There are also several other links found there to point out the cover ups regarding 9/11.
[Judging from the massive download speed of the source site--I\'d say it is in DC or someplace similar (as that is the only place I can accomplish 300kbs download from).

***So there is still no one here who has heard on the news about the 20,000 person march in Phoenix this past week?  I guess the \"rumors\" are true--for national security reasons all big news is kept local until approved.*** (I was wondering why I hadn\'t heard of any peace protests except the ones where I lived, until I was told why, even the one in SF I didn\'t get news on until it was 2weeks old.)

******EDIT EDIT: I just saw that the Washington Times \"Americas Newspaper\" just finally reported on it YESTERDAY (shortly after I posted, hmm) they\'re only a couple of weeks behind the news from when the issue started.  I wonder if it went onto national TV yet?
***ooo!  I also just found out that there were 500,000 in LA--that isn\'t on our local news yet--since that happened first one would think it would have been included with the Phoenix coverage.  [Of course this still doesn\'t explain the complete lack of coverage for large peace protests other than local.]



Here is a quote from the AP regarding recent protests:

\"When did you ever see a Mexican blow up the World Trade Center? Who do you think built the World Trade Center?\" said David Gonzalez, 22, who marched in Los Angeles with a sign that read, \"I\'m in my homeland.\'\"


Ahh!  Living in America (at least parts of it has clean air).

[derwoodly]

Gripen, providing proof is not done by quoting yourself.

You implied that 500,000 people marched in LA in protest of the war.  I think you are way wrong on that number.  AS PROOF here is a LINK to a reconiziable web site.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060319/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_war_protests

@ Kixie, wow! looks like your the sane one in this thread! who would have thought! )

[Gripen]

Originally posted by derwoodly
Gripen, providing proof is not done by quoting yourself.

You implied that 500,000 people marched in LA in protest of the war.  I think you are way wrong on that number.  AS PROOF here is a LINK to a reconiziable web site.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060319/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_war_protests

@ Kixie, wow! looks like your the sane one in this thread! who would have thought! )

Ahh, another unbelieving lying infidel.  You suffer from a severe reading deficit, don\'t you?
I never said or implied that it was war protests, and I have not quoted myself--not even once.
What I did say, is that even protests are not covered by national news coverage until it is okayed that it will not cause a risk to national security.  I used the protests which I mentioned as evidence of that fact--so either you are very underinformed, or my information is correct regarding the tampering with news coverage--and you should be hearing about the protests in the next couple or weeks or even months.  
[What part of the country are you in?]

Kixie isn\'t any more sane than the rest of us, just a little better socially programmed, or unwilling to view the evidence (like you).  Both of you should view the video from the first post.

[Kixie]

Originally posted by Gripen

Originally posted by Gripen
***By the way, did anyone in non-local area hear about the 20,000 people march in Pheonix Arizona this past week?***

So, did anyone hear of this protest outside Arizona or the Southwestern US?  Especially if you are in the US.

Originally posted by Gripen
I have not quoted myself--not even once.

I spy with my little eye... :3

[Frank]

Originally posted by Gripen

What I did say, is that even protests are not covered by national news coverage until it is okayed that it will not cause a risk to national security.  I used the protests which I mentioned as evidence of that fact--so either you are very underinformed, or my information is correct regarding the tampering with news coverage--and you should be hearing about the protests in the next couple or weeks or even months.  
[What part of the country are you in?]

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i dont know about you but i been hearing from all kinds of the protest agasitn that immmgration policy they are making when it happen. maybe you just dont look at the news too often

[derwoodly]

OOOPPS, my bad. I was way wrong on that one.  I have been away from the TV for a couple of days, so I missed this one.

First let me say, WOW, 500,000 is indeed a lot of people.  As far as I can tell that is the largest protest croud ever anywhere.  It is very impresive.

Second, Yes, Gripen you did make it seem as though half a million people protested the war.

Third, I did watch the video and read the blogs and read the forums.

[Edit: see Kixie is the most sane, you did not quote your self, hah.  Here have some of what I have been smoking for two days  ]

[Second Edit: @Gripen if you truely want to convince me of something try including links like this http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up10pg  ]

[Gripen]

Here is another link for a video from deutch--english sub-titles (must be able to read)

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11222.htm

It is more believable, and broader--regarding 9 11.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Kixie
I\'m trying to keep this damn thread balanced, instead of it resulting in a mass anti-U.S hate thread.

Oh please.  This is not anti-U.S.  There\'s nothing anti U.S. about it.  It\'s entirely possible to love a country but hate its government.

[JellyWerker]

No, you can love a land and hate it\'s government, the country is the land+government. The culture wouldn\'t be here without the government. I love the mountains. Anyways...

Why does everyone always believe the US is always scheming to take over the world or get free oil? Why don\'t people spend their hours of free time constructing elaborate conjectures about the \"evil\" government of Britain, or Germany, or China even, but no, it\'s always the US... Ya, ruminate on that bitchez...

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by JellyWerker
No, you can love a land and hate it\'s government, the country is the land+government. The culture wouldn\'t be here without the government. I love the mountains. Anyways...

Why does everyone always believe the US is always scheming to take over the world or get free oil? Why don\'t people spend their hours of free time constructing elaborate conjectures about the \"evil\" government of Britain, or Germany, or China even, but no, it\'s always the US... Ya, ruminate on that bitchez...

i)  \"The Government\" and \"The People\" are two different things.

ii)  Germany and Britain aren\'t superpowers.  The U.S. is.

iii)  Plenty of people are critical of China.

iv)  Plenty of people are critical of Britain, but it\'s more to do with domestic economic policies.

[davo]

lol thats what i was thinking. (jelly werkers post)

im not going to say \'dumb americans\'  cause that got me my first deleted post a while back, Lmao last time it was about a pentagon consipacy.  Sounds like some kinda movie.

I could make a video for instance about anything...put some random quotes and stupid evidence and blame the government.

I Think micheal more coveres this type of thing in some movies he has made on a general level.

I dont see what the government has to do with loving a country and its people, culture ect..when i think of australia i think of aussies and the country, not just john howard

[derwoodly]

Well looks like the French have proven me wrong yet again.  An estimated 1 million person protest is going on there!

I would like to point out that these very large protests are NOT against the occupation of Iraq.  They are about domestic issues.  And they are getting press, contrary to what Grippen is claiming.

For me it comes down to what is more believable.  Gripens view that the US government is conspiring with world media to rule the world, and a bunch of kids with a cool domain name are the only ones on the planet that can stop them, OR Main stream view that USA\'s government (and all others as well) is a flawed organization that let a bunch of fanatics make fools of them.

I mean really, if the government was half as clever as Gripen claims it to be, \"Black-Ops\" would just break into Grippens house brain wash him and we would never have to read tripe  like the first post.  Or to state it another way, Nixen secretly spies on the democratic party and gets impeached, but Bush starts a war by KILLING 3000 of its own citizens and blames it on foreign terrorist who are all too happy to take the blame and then gets away scott free?  I just don\'t think so.  All of the stuff on that site can either be shown as just false, or be explained by one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by derwoodly
Well looks like the French have proven me wrong yet again.  An estimated 1 million person protest is going on there!

I would like to point out that these very large protests are NOT against the occupation of Iraq.

So why post about it?

Originally posted by derwoodly
 They are about domestic issues.  And they are getting press, contrary to what Grippen is claiming.

I believe Grippen was talking about the protest in the USA.

Originally posted by derwoodly
For me it comes down to what is more believable.  Gripens view that the US government is conspiring with world media to rule the world,

No.  Members of the US government control some agencies such as Faux (Fox) News, but the control is largely systemic and cultural.

Originally posted by derwoodly
 and a bunch of kids with a cool domain name are the only ones on the planet that can stop them,

No one is making that claim.  The message is always that the general public is the one with the power, and that these \"kids\" are merely trying to educate others into action.

Originally posted by derwoodly
 OR Main stream view that USA\'s government (and all others as well) is a flawed organization that let a bunch of fanatics make fools of them.

There are fanatics within the USA\'s government.  Bush makes a fool of himself without anyone else\'s help.  It is a flawed organization, and it is also corrupt.

Originally posted by derwoodly
I mean really, if the government was half as clever as Gripen claims it to be, \"Black-Ops\" would just break into Grippens house brain wash him and we would never have to read tripe  like the first post.

What a stupid thing to say.

Originally posted by derwoodly
  Or to state it another way, Nixen secretly spies on the democratic party and gets impeached, but Bush starts a war by KILLING 3000 of its own citizens and blames it on foreign terrorist who are all too happy to take the blame and then gets away scott free?

According to the video, those foregin terrorists were not at all happy that they were being blamed.

Originally posted by derwoodly
  I just don\'t think so.  All of the stuff on that site can either be shown as just false, or be explained by one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing.

Stop building strawmen.