Dwarfslaying - a happy pastime ?

[Ekusile Feyorel]

[OOC]
I have played alot of so called \"role playing\" games, but Planeshift is the best so far, and openly encourages serious roleplay, and I love it. But......the dwarfslaying guild is too much IMHO, Dhralian (spelling) was acceptable to me, I could take it and laugh, but a guild of dwarfslayers has a ring of \"ethnic cleansing\" about it, and I\'m sorry to say I cannot just ignore it and hope it goes away. Sure, we have good and evil, thats fine, but a guild committed to slaying just one race is bordering on racism and harrasment, something that is shunned in this game.

Player Policy post :

You may not organize nor be a member of any pledges or groups within Planeshift that are based on or espouse any racist, sexist, anti-religious, anti-ethnic, anti-gay, or other hatemongering philosophies.

I would be interested in reading everyone elses thoughts on this matter.

[r.guppy]

This should be stamped out right away, it is not in the spirit of the game.

[Peacer]

depends on the rp, i don\'t mind a dwarfslaying guild, i heard drahlian\'s history, and i believe they are all from there. Then massinviting should just be wamped and not used, to many dwarfslayers will make a threat as a lot of gop\'s are dwarves. And they will probably go to war with them for that .

as my logs have been deleted because i forgot to back them up >.< i can\'t extract her history of her original home where dwarves were slaves and treated like mud used to carry their wagons, etc. as long as the insultment of dwarves ir rp and not oocly (see how many dwarf friends drahlian has.) I myself see no problem, and i think the player policy racist thingy is from guild who don\'t like foreigners in their country or something like that. Not ingame racism.

[Zeckrest]

I think dwarfslayers are ok,ASLONG as in your Description there is a Good story behind it,If you Say
I KILL DWARFS COS THEY SMALL,Im against it,If it has a Story like me.Which Its about Dwarfs Spreading plauge to my Breed Klyros,and All ect.

But if they Story aint acceptable im against

[Marledoek]

True. Don\'t mind a few, like Sardit who keeps pointing out to check the discription. But i noticed some people copy-ing the same habit without the intention of RP. This definitly ruins the atmosphere!

[Ekusile Feyorel]

Peacer said :

Not ingame racism.

So ingame racism is ok ? as long as its IC ?

[Araye]

I agree with Peacer.  I don\'t think the rules really apply to \"in game\" racism.  After all dwarves don\'t really exist, do they?  Things like hatred for a race will exist given the right conditions.  Also the people role playing \"haters\" appear to have gone to some length to explain that it is only a role play in their \"descriptions\".  As long as this is the accepted method of explaining actions, I\'m ok with it.

To be honest though, I feel any information gained through the \"description\" is really OOC - unless it is truly a description of a specific item that s/he has on their person, ie. wears a long, dark, weather worn cloak.  I would like to see all the additional information removed.  One should only figure out \"this guy is a dwarf slayer\" through character interactions and when it is discovered, should be accepted as part of an in character role play as should EVERYTHING that occurs in game.  Sure their will be violators, but they need to be pulled to the side and gently corrected through tells.

Thank you, in advance, Kary for pointing out that I have not only changed the thread but have brought up a previously posted idea (as it is yours).  

[Marledoek]

Ooc should be allowed in the discription, especially with this kind of RP. Put between brackets they can tell that it\'s not personaly ment RP-ing and that it can be stopped if they want that. Since not everybody is into that, it only seems fair to me.

About the racism; if RL rasicm isn\'t tollerated, should it be tollerated into the game? If so, let\'s wait for the first racist, sexist, anti-religious, anti-ethnic, anti-gay, hatemonger player. Can\'t wait to read that discription.

^^,

[minetus]

i dont believe it should be tolerated any kind of racism towards any general type of race, being included fantasy races in games, were thus the ficticional racism becomes real in real life one way or the other.. about this subject i plee to the devs not to tolerate this kind of actions.

my 3 trias.

[ou8i8uo]

This is indeed a touchy subject and I can honestly say that both I and Satayne dissaprove of Dwarvesbane but I am also cursed with being able to see both sides of a coin at once.
Now when this first started it was harmless enough as Drahlian was pretty much on her own it wasn't such a big deal, but now she has formed a guild and it's growing.
The players behind the dwarves have been very good about
the RP aspect of it as I understand it and it does tend to liven things up but it does have the smack of racism about it.
 

r.guppy said: This should be stamped out right away, it is not in the spirit of the game.

I don't think thats right as this is a freedom of speech and expression and in a world such as Yliakum, there is likely to be a few dwarf haters, but I also think Dwarvesbane should be real careful as one of these days all the dwarves of Yliakum just may unite and stamp her and her guild out for good.[/b][/color]

[Ekusile Feyorel]

....... and stamp her and her guild out for good

I know what you mean ou8i8uo, bu that\'s where the realism ends I\'m afraid,  it\'s not possible is it ?

[ou8i8uo]

I know what you mean ou8i8uo, bu that\'s where the realism ends I\'m afraid, it\'s not possible is it ?

Ahh, lets not forget, this is RP not RL,...anything is possible as long as it is RP\'d right.

[Karyuu]

Touchy subject indeed. In-game and in-character, anyone can be a sexist snob, happy little racist, etc., as long as it does not become irritating to someone OOC. For example if people have fun playing along (because conflicts always liven things up, you must admit) but then this begins to interfere with their character\'s lives all the time, and thus not giving the player the chance to \"escape\" and RP other things elsewhere, it becomes a problem.

I would like to hear from those who play the dwarves, really. Has this been a bother to you as a player yet?

[ Ekusile, the Player Policy\'s rules on harassment are that of OOC pestering. If an action is IC, it is a different matter. ]

[Zinn]

While agreeing that if done well anything may be role played we still play within the world given to us.
After all if RP\'ed properly could we not have guns, cars even dragons

Direct from the player guide

 The land of Yliakum is a melting pot of races with different culture and origin, mixed and integrated by living together over the centuries. Racial suspicion and hostility are completely unknown, given that the distances between cities are not great, and trades are a central part of Yliakum society.

and two more quotes from the player guide

Yliakum is an underground city. The inhabitants, a mixture of different races, also call it the \"City of the Azure Sun\"......

 It is sure that some of them lead to places similar to Yliakum and even to the surface, but nobody ever came back to report such a discovery.

If we don\'t all play from the same basic settings then we will end up with a confusing mish mash of individual RP sessions that bear no relation to the world invented for us to play in.

It is evident (to me anyway) from some of the recent events within PS that the Plaayer Guide is either being ignored or not read at all when developing possible RP scenarios


edit: to state that the emphasis is mine

[Kixie]

I see nothing with in character racism. I don\'t know why, but it doesn\'t bother me. Anyone who would act that way in character, just might create some dynamic and interesting roleplay.

When it becomes Out of Character, we of course have a problem, so the trick seems to be \"When is racism in character, and when is it out of character\".

This instance seems easy enough to identify: There is only racism towards a non-existant race of people. Dwarves don\'t exist as a seperate race of human beings people. In fact, Ylians don\'t even exist. Endukais, Krans, Diaboli, etc. None of them exist. I can\'t tell you to shrug off this, because some of it seems sickening and disgusting, and it is.

But, no matter how disgusting this may seem, and how dispicable the character may seem, just remember: It\'s not real. It\'s something used for the enjoyment and entertainment of others. If you don\'t like it, ignore them.