Xillix's guild - stop the madness please.

[zanzibar]

What do you want then? Do you want them to say "There is a magical place called www.planeshift.it that has all the answers you seek...it has tales of how this world came to be, and even has a reference of all the different races in this world, including their strengths, weaknesses, and physical traits"

COME ON! It's better that they do this, than have noobs run around saying things WITHOUT brackets like "ey lol how do i play dis game lol"

/say "Hi!  Answer my question about the history of this land and I will reward you generously."
/tell "The answer to my question is in the planeshift history section of the website, located at www.whatever.com."

[Karyuu]

Suno, Xillix is doing a very nice deed, and I don't think anyone can deny this. It's just that no system is perfect right now and there is always room for improvement.

[Suno_Regin]

Well a real suggestion would be to fill that gap in the chat box with an "OOC" button. =P

EDIT: Better yet, make the chat button an "RP" button, and make the previously suggested OOC button "Chat" =P

[Karyuu]

Suggestions like these have been made before, and they have been ruled out for many reasons. You've participated in some of those discussions, so you should be aware of the problems such things would entail.

The simple solution is to send OOC text in tells. It doesn't require any extra work, the chat is cleaner, and it teaches new players about the proper use of commands.

[Suno_Regin]

Even though it's private chat, I still think it would be ooc. Say if someone in a tavern walked up and whispered to you, they would use /tell (or announce it publically so that the person on the other side of the table can pretend they heard you with their super hearing) so for a PUBLIC ooc discussion, there would have to be a new chat tab, or just stay with the brackets which zanzibar seems to have too many problems about.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

You have all heard of a hawker?

That is what we do.

Nothing that is shouted is OOC.

I think I am completely IC in shouting for donations and that I will help the new. If one has almost memorized it they know this. To say I am resistant to changes is frankly ignorant and much of this post ignores the fact that there is another thread dedicated to making changes. I have incorporated a great deal of critiscism and made changes already. you should come through and see what we do now instead of making assumptions. 

[Karyuu]

Say if someone in a tavern walked up and whispered to you, they would use /tell (or announce it publically so that the person on the other side of the table can pretend they heard you with their super hearing) so for a PUBLIC ooc discussion, there would have to be a new chat tab, or just stay with the brackets which zanzibar seems to have too many problems about.

I don't think that's acceptable. /tell is used for IC whispering if two people are next to each other, but otherwise the command is completely OOC and absolutely perfect for offering OOC explanations and clarifications. A separate OOC/RP tab is out of the question.

[Suno_Regin]

Still, what about public ooc? Like a discussion? Once we get in game, newbies are going to want advice, and so on. They won't know how to use the help channel right away, so where would they ask? I doubt they would even know the command for /tell, much less who to ask. When I get in game, I always worry about staying in character, and that anything ooc would pretty much disrupt what I'm trying to set. So, having an ooc channel would help, that way any ooc thing I have to bring up (such as asking the public about a bug) won't be in brackets, and won't be in anyone's way.

[zanzibar]

Even though it's private chat, I still think it would be ooc. Say if someone in a tavern walked up and whispered to you, they would use /tell (or announce it publically so that the person on the other side of the table can pretend they heard you with their super hearing) so for a PUBLIC ooc discussion, there would have to be a new chat tab, or just stay with the brackets which zanzibar seems to have too many problems about.

Tell's are generally OOC, especially when people use them to communicate across vast distances.  Whispers are one IC use of tells, but they aren't used that often in my experience.

"/tell name /me is the name that marks the paper you find in your pocket.  Reading it, you find a note instructing you to meet a Kran at Brado's in in Akkaio."

But stuff like that is hard to get away with, and the 'target' might go OOC on you anyway.

Still, are you arguing that it's better for OOC chat which is directed towards a single individual to be said as a /say rather than a /tell?  A /say is disruptive to everyone in the immediate area, while a /tell is only percieved by a single individual.

You have all heard of a hawker?

That is what we do.

Nothing that is shouted is OOC.

I think I am completely IC in shouting for donations and that I will help the new. If one has almost memorized it they know this. To say I am resistant to changes is frankly ignorant and much of this post ignores the fact that there is another thread dedicated to making changes. I have incorporated a great deal of critiscism and made changes already. you should come through and see what we do now instead of making assumptions. 

It would be better if you walked up to people, introduced yourself, then asked for a private donation from individuals.  Using /shout is just lazy since your guild does it so often.

[Karyuu]

I think you're overcomplicating it, Suno :] If people don't know how to use the /help channel, it takes a single sentence to explain. When I send /tells to a new player as a GM, I always end them with "To reply, type /tell Bakuun and your message." It's simple and not as backbreaking as you make it sound. Zanzibar isn't suggesting a complicated system - he is just stating that after an IC conversation, if something needs further OOC clarification, /tells should be used to keep the public chat free of OOC text as much as possible.

And even though this has been beaten to death already, I'll explain one more time - a separate OOC tab of the chat window both invites and sanctifies OOC conversation. In a PlaneShift utopia that we are all aiming for, OOC text shouldn't even exist. We definitely don't need to "okay" it by giving it its own place.

[Robinmagus]

You have all heard of a hawker?

Your whole guild would have sore throats right now , the amount you "hawk" 

[Anfa]

Personally, if it is an RP I "do not wish to be interupted" I move the party to a less populated area of the plaza.  Both the temple and harnquist's are known to be very busy.

I believe you don't have to go that far to be out of the "chat radius"

A very simple solution when one wants to rp without interuptions.

Cheers

Anfa

[Suno_Regin]

There's more madness in this guild than what zanzibar says. Read my post in the Hydlaa Plaza board (or General Discussion, I forget) for more details. They seem to love being the center of attention. It's ok that they help people, but after catching up on this guild's history/current information, I'm beginning to get a little pissed.

[Anfa]

There's more madness in this guild than what zanzibar says.

Xillix is guild leader of the Vespers of Laanx...

Perhaps you should verify your facts before commenting..

Cheers
Anfa
Watcher in the Scions of Wyldewood

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

I dont understand the anger.

Zanzibar, It is not lazy and they would not have sore throats because there enough of them doing it. I will have them shout no more than a certain number of times in a shift to try to soften the blow. I spend my time helping others not going from person to person asking for a handout. Honestly I feel I am doing my best to make this workable. If it helps I would request that people make the paved landing between the end of the plaza stairs a Haven for new players where they will be told vital information before being sent out to the rp world. If you want to rp try to do it below the stairs out of earshot of the temple walkway. This is in no way a demmand but a request. RP confuses new players and is difficult in their presence.