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Re: Xillix's guild - stop the madness please.
« Reply #60 on: April 24, 2006, 09:14:44 am »
Eeee... All I was saying was that OOC should be avoided as much as possible and /tells are a better alternative. As I mentioned before, I myself have not seen first-hand what messages get sent out by Xillix or the Vespers, nor have I seen logs, so I can't provide much input.

Though if someone thinks the use of OOC text was excessive, maybe try harder to cut down on it..?
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« Reply #61 on: April 24, 2006, 09:29:04 am »
Well did I not respond to it?

In summation

My shouts are IC I will order the guild to cut it back for the sake of those who find it annoying, but there Is nothing wrong with it.

You wanted less OOC I agreed to take my school into the group and out of the air.

Karyuu no one person will consistently satisfy everyone's idea of good role play in this or any context, I have Systematically made every effort to respond to Yliakum in an engaged and dynamic way, I has submitted myself to critique and changed by what was said.

Karyuu If you do not see how the tone of all of this might be seen as negative, accusatory, and authoritarian, not on your part, but on the part of some I am just agog.

I am all for constructive critique and people to help me figure out how to do this better and have been open to change from the beggining.
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« Reply #62 on: April 24, 2006, 10:38:47 am »
the shouting, they don't shout very much actually, i am usually at the tavern, and i think that shouting from teh temple can be heard there. And i rarely see them, maybe you are loosing your time sense or something. And if they walked around asking everyone for money it would be annoying getting asked for money everytime, thoose who might not know xillix might even call her a n00b and say go find ur own money b3gg4r. Or something like that.

to the thing that they occupy the front of the temple, i don't mind that, praying to laanx is done inside and not outside. I like the location because you can always find it.

the ooc thing, it is nescesary to explain about the game in ooc's you can't say IC organize your spells and let the magic flow through the glyphs etc. etc. Because most new players won't even know about rp and won't be good at it, how can they translate IC to OOC then.

what's with the title anyway?

xillix continue ur work and make it progress as good as you can, it saves a lot of our time then using half of it helping newbies. :thumbup:
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« Reply #63 on: April 24, 2006, 11:33:38 am »
Well did I not respond to it?

You did, and the beginning of my post wasn't addressed to you, but to the other posters who wanted me to be sure of my "position" on the matter.

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My shouts are IC I will order the guild to cut it back for the sake of those who find it annoying, but there Is nothing wrong with it.

Except shouting is still rude, even if IC ;) If you stumble onto someone loudly yelling in the streets, you usually won't have the greatest first impression.

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Karyuu no one person will consistently satisfy everyone's idea of good role play in this or any context, I have Systematically made every effort to respond to Yliakum in an engaged and dynamic way, I has submitted myself to critique and changed by what was said.

There's no need to address it to me like that :) I know that this is hard work, and one must have a strong backbone to deal with the problems such a large goal brings. I'm not criticising you - I offered suggestions based on what I felt could be improved if the shouting is indeed excessive.

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Karyuu If you do not see how the tone of all of this might be seen as negative, accusatory, and authoritarian, not on your part, but on the part of some I am just agog.

Of course I notice the negative tone of many posts - it's hard to miss. But maybe their complaints have some validity too?
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« Reply #64 on: April 24, 2006, 01:28:09 pm »
Now, this may just be me, but doesn't it seem like this thread has only created MORE madness? We start with one group of players allegedly spamming and end up with a five page forum thread of quibbling :P

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« Reply #65 on: April 24, 2006, 03:26:35 pm »
I have responded to what was valid.

I hope my saying your name in a post was not bad I meant only to respond to this:

Eeee... All I was saying was that OOC should be avoided as much as possible and /tells are a better alternative. As I mentioned before, I myself have not seen first-hand what messages get sent out by Xillix or the Vespers, nor have I seen logs, so I can't provide much input.

Though if someone thinks the use of OOC text was excessive, maybe try harder to cut down on it..?

:P

I was particularly commenting on that last part. I mean if a small group of players had come out consistently critical of another's machinations I do not think it odd that one might be less than receptive to their critique. SOMEONE will always have a problem with something. I am sure everyone who has tried to do anything sizable in ps will attest to this fact. Regardless I have again changed my operating procedure to accomodate the concerns of members the community.

Except shouting is still rude, even if IC ;) If you stumble onto someone loudly yelling in the streets, you usually won't have the greatest first impression.
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I still believe we are in a context where this should not be seen as rude but a "done thing," a typical mode of conducting business. The bank shouts for people, as do the gamblers, or people shouting for events. The town Crier and a whole host of other traditions that predate media come to mind. I have already said I would tone it down but I dont think I should even be pushed to in this context. The option is open to come to me in character and ask me to stop as well. Either way don't have a church bell, don't have a way to inform the new players they can come to me, I am going to shout. "Hear ye Hear ye," "bring out your dead!"


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« Reply #66 on: April 24, 2006, 03:42:17 pm »
Xillix's guild is using shortcuts to tell newcomers to visit the planeshift website.  It has been encorporated into a guild-run quest that they give to each and every single new player that they meet.

Xillix and her guildmates have been completely resistant to change.  Personally, I find it terribly OOC, disruptive, and annoying. 

Does anyone have any comments?  Agree/disagree?

 Point one .. We all use shortcuts.. Even you..
 Point two .. That is not true ,, She has requested sugestions and change the way she does things.
 Point three .. plenty posted.. I Personally don't like shoutting but in this case it is for a good reason so i tolerate it.. She has agreed to moderat it.

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« Reply #67 on: April 24, 2006, 04:08:22 pm »
OK, yes, the shouts are spam technically, but I guess what I was trying to say was that instead of bashing her for it, maybe it would be wise to offer a solution instead. So here is mine. Maybe instead of shouting, she  she should have her guild members approach each character individually and ask for donations and instead of giving them instructions in public chat, she can group them to do it. Keep in mind that we are testers and not just for the game mechanics. There are bound to be problems arising from unexpected sources. And heres something to think about, there are many cities in the world where merchants and the like stand on the street and shout about what they are selling or the local manic depressive is shouting about the end of the world. I think it adds a bit of atmosphere to the game myself.
 And Zanzibar, I do think I owe you an apology for the precious time comment.
 

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« Reply #68 on: April 24, 2006, 04:41:15 pm »
Well i know the shout your talking about and if not for that shout i would have never kept playing the game they showed me the ropes and helped me get started. Now about the begging for tria i don't think that is true they say if you would like to donate you can but they don't beg and on the other hand i didn't say a word to them about tria and they gave me over 10000 tria just to help me get started and never asked me for anything in return.

On the other hand where i live you hear people shouting outside all the time so i think its just one of them things your just gonna have to live with. Well just a thought anyways
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« Reply #69 on: April 24, 2006, 05:39:55 pm »
I agree with Satayne with his last post. Oh and for all the complainers, how about put some of the energy towards finding a solution. You have a problem with her shouting then work with Xillix and come up with something that is comfortable for all of us. Don't look to her to just stop or come up with something to make you happy. Your the one with the issue, not her. Remember we are all testers of this game. Xillix obviously has found something that needs fixing, judging by the length of this thread. So help her come up with a solution, or tighten the lips and suck it up. 
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« Reply #70 on: April 25, 2006, 01:07:21 am »
Now, this may just be me, but doesn't it seem like this thread has only created MORE madness? We start with one group of players allegedly spamming and end up with a five page forum thread of quibbling :P

Just my two cents, worth less than ever thanks to inflation

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This "quibbling" is confined to a single thread that people can choose to ignore.  This is not the case when you're RPing in game and suddenly this fills your chatbox:

"The first thing I have to say is that if you want my aid you must study the History of our world.  [go to sewersofbabel.com/vespersoflaanx and register with your character name, and then click general, and inside there is the history of Yliakum, read it and return and I shall Reward you with another quest]"


I agree with Satayne with his last post. Oh and for all the complainers, how about put some of the energy towards finding a solution. You have a problem with her shouting then work with Xillix and come up with something that is comfortable for all of us. Don't look to her to just stop or come up with something to make you happy. Your the one with the issue, not her. Remember we are all testers of this game. Xillix obviously has found something that needs fixing, judging by the length of this thread. So help her come up with a solution, or tighten the lips and suck it up. 

I've already posted a few possible solutions.


Xillix's guild is using shortcuts to tell newcomers to visit the planeshift website.  It has been encorporated into a guild-run quest that they give to each and every single new player that they meet.

Xillix and her guildmates have been completely resistant to change.  Personally, I find it terribly OOC, disruptive, and annoying. 

Does anyone have any comments?  Agree/disagree?

 Point one .. We all use shortcuts.. Even you..
 Point two .. That is not true ,, She has requested sugestions and change the way she does things.
 Point three .. plenty posted.. I Personally don't like shoutting but in this case it is for a good reason so i tolerate it.. She has agreed to moderat it.

That was the first post of the thread, so of course it didn't take into account what was posted AFTER it, genius.
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« Reply #71 on: April 25, 2006, 01:25:57 am »
Zanzibar you went out of your way to get that earful don't play things off as though I a courupting the world like that. I don’t see what the major trouble with the /say you lifted is.

It seems little to make such a fuss without considering the potential positive outcome.

I have already agreed to change it, I have encountered some snags as group is where I organize role plays it will take time to sort out. Just let it die already.

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« Reply #72 on: April 25, 2006, 01:45:44 am »
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Where possible please respond in game IC to me as I enjoy the role play. Please do not make this thread about either the Vespers of Laanx or the Octarch; I only want advice here on how to make this work better and to let you know I am going broke.

 Point two.. was referring to this from..An appeal to the guild heads and heroes of Yliakum
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« Reply #73 on: April 25, 2006, 01:58:58 am »
I don't see why we should respond IC to OOC issues.  In fact, doing something like that is rather hazardous.


Zanzibar you went out of your way to get that earful don't play things off as though I a courupting the world like that. I don’t see what the major trouble with the /say you lifted is.  It seems little to make such a fuss without considering the potential positive outcome.

I have no problem with you helping new players, but I think you should help new players in a less disruptive way.
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« Reply #74 on: April 25, 2006, 02:51:34 am »
Alright, I looked through the post, so I will try to avoid repeating things that have already been said. In a sense, a bit of repetition would be healthy, to show that more people share the opinion that Xillix is helping people. In another, repetition is unhealthy due to the fact that circular arguments can occur. But I digress...

Many complain that the shouts are spam and clutter the logs. How many, though, have considered what it COULD be like without these shouts from the vespers? My personal opinion derived from observation is that it could quite possibly be worse. I have often heard shouts such as "Where do I sell rat parts?" or "how do I make money?" or other noobity questions (hehe... noobity). My opinion is that these shouts by the vespers curb the amount of shouts by new players, who constantly pour in. Without a single shout from the vespers once every few minutes, or whatever the interval currently is, you may have to deal with shouts from a larger number of people shouting at a far greater rate than one shout per X minutes. In this way, the occasional shout from the Vespers theoretically could vastly decrease the clutter in your logs.

Now for another issue I feel deserves attention. Before some here complain of the overuse of Shouts by the Vespers, consider the misuse of shouts by some of the more experienced players. I have personally seen where shouts are used to communicate across town instead of using tells, and I can say it is a bit frustrating, but I put up with it.

The point that shortcuts used by the Vespers makes them seem more like NPCs does have some truth, but I feel it cannot be helped. Put yourselves in their shoes for a moment, and let’s go on a journey. A new player comes to you, and asks for your help. The new player cannot understand what is going on, and seeks assistance, yet has no clue as to what he or she needs. Would you: A) give a personalized conversation lasting perhaps half an hour or more to describe the story of the game, how things work in the game, and what the player should do first; B) ignore them; C) give them a pre-saved message explaining something or possibly leading them to a site which would answer many questions they had or would soon have.

Now, imagine you have, let’s make it light, 20 players each day all coming to you with the same flabbergasted story, seeking help. B is the course I would imagine most would take. A would be inefficient, and could be quite frustrating as one answer you give only leads to several more questions. This frustration could also be compounded by a gutting of English grammar or possibly L33T. C would save the cramps in the experienced players’ hands by not having to type out the same answers again and again. C would also free up the experienced players to play the game themselves instead of taking all their time to answer the same questions over and over in answers personalized to each new player.

I tried to only write about new topics, so I apologize if I repeated too much from previous posts.
I also apologize for the long post. The consequences of its length undoubtedly will be that few will read it. :'(