[ Greetings Xillix,
First, as I said maaaaany times in game, I am not mad at any particular players OOC, and I hold no grudge... particularly against you !
We played a little together, and I personnally enjoyed it each time.
Before answering you, I will just say to everyone that Xillix and i already have this discussion in game.
I agree with you on most of the point but let me do some comments.
As I see it you were never fooled. Forig was in Xillix's custody not yours. I brought you to the tavern to display IC that I was not allied with the closing of the portal, because your character has stated that he is uncomfortable speaking at the temple of Laanx. You make an issue of the fact that I brought only evils to the tavern. I only brought you to the tavern. The whole sneaking Forig out while we were in there Was Anfa's doing IC and my idea OOC. It was always intended that you would find Forig and use him in the manner prescribed to keep the portal open.
As I said in game, the problem for me on this point is that both of the actors knows what was going on... Me and my allies excepted. You want a proof ? Navarr asked me by tell and OOC to bring the Slayers to the tavern, this was for the RP if I trust him. And as you asked me too (OOC and IC) to go to the tavern I came. This is exactly what I was pissed off : this have nothing to do with the RP by itself, I didn't even know how should I be able to use Forig ! I also have no idea of how to bypass Peacer's super-shield (maybe by doing a "/me dig the wall and free Forig by the hole"..), so being freed of the "Forig's affair" was fine for me. But what i didn't like was the way OOC talks were used to make my character do what you wanted.
To be really honnest, the moment I know who's alt was Forig I wanted to leave this to concentrate on the Mouth thing. So you can trust me when I tell you that my "angry" wasn't about the hide of Forig. Moreover Anfa is my Lover in game so she can do what she wants ;p.
A lot of the issue comes down to timing. Had we waited a day or so Forig would have been alone and he could have been snuck from the temple with no IC issue, but I had all of the principle characters on at the same time so I stepped it up made it happen faster. This was to make for a nice rp as not just you but others looked for forig and eventually you would have found him. as far as peacer's super wall or whatever I frankly did not see that happen but Anfa rp'ed the use of her crystals of wyldewood to free Forig.
And you did well : the RP was nice. But think about what you told me and you will get why I gone mad. You asked me to come to free Forig, I asked you why, after some talk I propose you the sacrifice to allow the portal remaining open. You agreed and I came to the temple. You told me ooc what's will going on : we have to free Forig. When I arrive the place was over crowdy and Forig highly guarded (even if you omit Peacer's spells...), I begin to wonder how you wanted me to free him without fighting... Then you told me about the (IC) message Forig have for me.. in fact, there was no message and Forig told me (OOC) to come back in two days to free him. Why 2 days ? I didn't get it but I begin to feel something were hidded to me. After that, comes the story of Anfa's hidding.
Two days shorten in 10 minutes, a different outcomes of what you told me, and all without saying anything while all the other characters knows what will going on... I have no problem with the RP itself, moreover it was necessary to Zorbels and Satayne.
What I didn't like is that everyone lied to me OOC to makes us move according to their plan. Please, remember that I have no reason to not trust you or Navarr as
players, Baston can doubt of you as character (what he did with Narita in the tavern) but I, as a player, cannot think that others players will lied to me just to make my character do what they want. Was it so complicated to briefly explain me the situation ? You involved me in the Forig's RP and in 20 minutes you changed the plan and I discovered that involved players fooled me as player. At the moment Anfa told Baston she have the prisonner, the only clue I had was pointing only one thing : I was fooled. I didn't know how this sub story will end (what I don't care in fact : we can just do as you did and sacify a pure good alt to the portal), but I can only see one thing I bring Baston to shouts and fool around in the temple, and then all things goes differently of what I was told ooc...
I was wondering if you feared that I will not act according the scenario if you told me it...
I just want to remind you that I finished this part after you explain me... I also played your game even if I was very angry and post the "wanted" ads on the forum. Baston even dispatch the Slayers for a moment... I think I was not such a bad looser/player to continue to play a role in this story after that.
The idea that this whole rp was made to fool the evil or humiliate them is completely untrue. Monk started with darkshade and a sketch of some plot elements. Impromtu in character acting then drove the story. The worshipers of Vodul leaped on this because as you have stated, and zanzibar's arguments are not lost here, there Is little in game for those who make Vodul a part of their IC lives.
You get me wrong on this point : I didn't means that the whole RP was made to fool the evil or humiliate them ! I just quoted Monk's statements ingame. I guess he see all evils as sort of sadist and masoshist who only like one thing : being humiliated...
I just wanted to make clear that this is not my point of view : Planeshift is not a politically correct American film with a happy end ;-) I hope it will never end and I don't think evils characters must direct their act in defeat... I am not playing the "bad guy" in a Disney film (I love Disneys ! but that's not the question ;p).
Some points were raised that I think are of major importance to the future success of roleplaying scenarios. One is that beginning an open ended rp is incredibly difficult to pull off. As anyone who has has the time to game master table top rpgs will attest the characters cannot be trusted to separate Player character knowledge, this means the things the player knows being separate from what the character knows. This is a two way street the character can know things that are unknown to the player and the player will know things that SHOULD be unknown to the character, but this does not always work out. Players cannot always be expected to be consistent to their role.
Hum.. This is exactly my point : if you want a directed RP, you need to make all the leading players works together on the scenario. It's only my point of view but it's more fair and makes all the players happy. But you already told me that in game, and once again we are just having the same discussion again. To make my position clear : I am for fair and square RP. Not fair in terms of the story of the RP, but fair in terms of rules and informations. Before a fight in Martial Arts, all contestants know the same things and everyone know the rules. This way the winner is really the best fighter. I think it's a good principle as you think Xillix.
Secondly impromtu roleplays seem to have a tendency to decend into the kind of my imagination is bigger than yours pissing contests we have witnessed here.
"I shot you"
"nuh-uh, I got super armor and your bullets richochet back and kill you"
"Mom! Xillix isn't playing fair!"
When this happens more is at stake then just bad acting, you then have people reaching further and further into unwritten settings to justify their actions and powers beliefs etc. All of this said some good has come from the impromtu acting Zorbels story Proglin and Einnol's Monk, Anfa, Baston, Narita, and Setil, all acted well at different points, and even some of the struggle to close / keep open the portal has been good and fun.
I have nothing to say about that. I agree and just ignore those "roleplayers" when they begin to do so. I am sustainer of roleplaying not too far of the limits of what the game allow players to do.
However I believe that these events should be directed. That they should be largely written out before the fact and that all parties "acting" in an official capacity in the story should know their roles and be prepared for the twists and turns in the plot. Sometimes that means playing being defeated or even fooled, but the player should know before the fact, and choose whether to participate in that role for their character. A certain degree of Ad-libbing is always to be welcome and CAN enrich a storyline but to assume that impromtu "acting" ALWAYS aids the story is simply a mistake as I see it. I uttered a concern early on to many of those responsible for this RP that those who for whatever reason worship Vodul be brought into the fold and be told where the story was going precisely to avoid anyone feeling as though they had been used.
I agree, if everyone knows his role and agree before starting what is the story it makes the things fair and somewhat easier. Even if this is the first time I participate to this kind of directed event... And it seems the "all parties 'acting' in an official capacity in the story should know their roles and be prepared" part seems to have been missed in this one ;-) But it's better late than never.
The ending I envisioned would have adressed issues of concern for Narita Setil and Baston and left them all with something to call their own and I believe even the "good guys" would have been ok with it, but that was the problem I was only one of more than a dozen who envisioned a different ending. At no time however was the source of the portal to end up being Vodul's power. This is precisely why I wanted to bring the Vodul worshippers in to explain to them what was happening and how things would unfold so they could choose with information whether they wanted a part of it. It was not my superthread however so I heeded those who began this tale and did not want to curb the enthusiasm of the Vodul worshipers.
My ending is pretty simple and the "good guys" and the Vodul worshipers triumph . . .alas . . .others still have different endings . . .
One more time we already agreed on that ingame, and as I said to you I think it's just better for the balance of the game, better for this RP too (to stick to the game reality)
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* Baston come closer to Xillix scratch her head behind her kitty ears and laughs "Don't worry Lady Xillix, I will continue to tag your temple and throw rocks on Laanx followers"[ It seems I have hurt some peoples with my post, I apologies it was not my purpose. I have made some comments and I have never organize any RP events.. So to be fair I will do that when I have some times (this summer I promise.. time for my poor slow brain to find something interesting enought to make the RP interesting too).
Good day all.
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