Women Of Yliakum

[Peacer]

*laughs is ass off*
This is a video game, there is rules, if someone don't respect the play nice policy, just ban him. If someone is playing the macho-man and harrass women ingame in a IC way, I think he got a problem irl.
You already have an ONU organisation (the Scoy), now a Women of Yliakum, and soon greenpeace ? Why not vote for a president also ?

I'm not sure what you're adding to the conversation.

he's talking about the settings of the yliakum world in sarcasm... (i think)

[zorbels]

*laughs is ass off*
This is a video game, there is rules, if someone don't respect the play nice policy, just ban him. If someone is playing the macho-man and harrass women ingame in a IC way, I think he got a problem irl.
You already have an ONU organisation (the Scoy), now a Women of Yliakum, and soon greenpeace ? Why not vote for a president also ?

This maybe a video game but I think that over all the goal is to have a realistic world to some extent. I don't see anywhere that you pointed out how this was a good or bad idea. I only see you making fun of some of the things the community has dreamed up for organisations. That is a shame.

[Karyuu]

I personally don't see a lot of harassment based on player/character gender when I am in-game, whether OOC or IC. So I guess I too am not sure of how needed such an organization would be - it seems a really rare occurance. I wish we could hear more from the original poster, but it seems unlikely, if she hasn't responded in all this time.

I hope that this emergency system or something like it can be implemented in the future as the problem seems to be getting worse.

It's the "getting worse" part that I don't understand, overall.

[LigH]

I'd like to remind you, that there is at least one woman doing (or planning to do) almost the opposite - see "Con RP".

(No, that answer was not too serious.)

[zanzibar]

I'd like to remind you, that there is at least one woman doing (or planning to do) almost the opposite - see "Con RP".

(No, that answer was not too serious.)

I don't think you can compare the two... there's a difference between flirting and sexua harassment.  It's a thin line sometimes.

[Gwinn Ravenn]

Greetings All
I appreciate the response to this topic both positive and negative.

First many comment that harassment is covered in the rules of the game and is handled by the GM. My answer to this is simple. That is an OCC answer to an IC problem While something should be done OCC . where does that leave the characters involved. As the for mentioned actins happen In Character. In this game there are ramifications in character for every other circumstance except this. Our characters have to deal with the consequences of their actions. Therefore this is just another one of these circumstances.

I had an experience where I was most glad a friend came along when she did otherwise my character would have had to deal with a very sticky aftermath. And the role-play that resulted from her help was very good. It was that incident that spurred on this idea.

1.   also deals with an IC issue in an IC way.
2.   another opportunity for good role play.

This idea dose need corporation to be completely effective. However I will say this regardless of who is asking for help I will come if I heard the call. As that is MY choice I hope others will do the same. Anyone who dose not, well that is their choice.

Thank you all for your time and consideration and most of all your responses on this topic.   

[zanzibar]

Greetings All
I appreciate the response to this topic both positive and negative.

First many comment that harassment is covered in the rules of the game and is handled by the GM. My answer to this is simple. That is an OCC answer to an IC problem While something should be done OCC . where does that leave the characters involved. As the for mentioned actins happen In Character. In this game there are ramifications in character for every other circumstance except this. Our characters have to deal with the consequences of their actions. Therefore this is just another one of these circumstances.

I had an experience where I was most glad a friend came along when she did otherwise my character would have had to deal with a very sticky aftermath. And the role-play that resulted from her help was very good. It was that incident that spurred on this idea.

1.   also deals with an IC issue in an IC way.
2.   another opportunity for good role play.

This idea dose need corporation to be completely effective. However I will say this regardless of who is asking for help I will come if I heard the call. As that is MY choice I hope others will do the same. Anyone who dose not, well that is their choice.

Thank you all for your time and consideration and most of all your responses on this topic.   

Uh.... no.  If I follow someone around, griefing them (within the rules), insulting them, and making sexually suggestive comments... it's harassment.  I could say that "Well, it's just who my character is!"  But no.  It's harassment.  It doesn't matter that it's IC, because.... it's harassment.

[Syilph]

IC harassment should be always anounced by using an OOC comment and explaining to the other party that you are doing this for a RP purpose. Send a /tell first, explaining your behaviour and asking for permission to continue. If the targeted person or group feel offended OOC and they report you you WILL get punished (and usually with a ban). We see the necesity of having evil aligned players but playing evil is difficult so please make sure you explain your purpose first. Some people can exploit the RP excuse to harass others OOC and that is why you need to explain that what you are doing is IC and not OOC and continue only AFTER the other(s) will agree. If you get /report(ed) you will loose the chance of explaining that you did that for a RP purpose and it will be like in the cop movies, "everything you say can and will be used against you".

[Peacer]

if you know someone who knows about roleplaying and would understand if it's IC or OOC i don't think it's nescesary, if you call someone something some medieval insults mixed up with some mob names "tefpile, gobblehead, boyfriend of a trepor" etc. (thx ninya) It would be easy to see that it's IC, but saying the F word, the S word the other S word and some other words but itøs still IC i would recommend to see if it was IC at first and if it is then advice the person not to use such words IC but instead some more medieval phrases and words...

[Syilph]

The BIG problem is that not everybody understands roleplay and acting rude or worst to a newbie or somebody who didn't grasped entirely the concept of RP will get a /report on you. Now as GMs we only consider the text of the /report command because logs can be easily modifyed so if you are /reported you won't have a chance to defend yourself so I repeat, if it is your first encounter with a player and you RP an evil character or take any actions that can present a /report risk, please explain the reason of that behaviour in order to minimize that risk.

[Peacer]

exactly that's why you may know some already who knows how to rp and would like some evil people to insult their characters for some fun XD, however if a noob comes to you while buying or something and says "hi wit u how do i get a sword?" you will know at that second ok he is a noob but you have to respond to him... so /tell noob hello what i am doing now is just IC so you shouldn't get offended OOCly to reply to me type "/tell evilguy <message here>"
noob tells you: wtf is IC
*explains.... an hour later*
noob tells you: sounds fun, try me (some understands it easier than others XD)

noob says: greetings sir, can you tell me where i could get a sword please?
evilguy says: why should i tell you bigheaded bootlicker?
noob says: because i need help in this world i don't know where to go or anything but it would be nice for me if i had a weapon to defend myself while tryign to explore on my own...

and so it goes on... and you should keep the ooc with him for a while to comment on his rp so he won't get offended oocly the first time he tried to rp. Something like you tell noob: nice phrase .
Then you would most certainly  get to talk about evil in the world a bit after in most occurances...

[Syilph]

noob says: greetings sir, can you tell me where i could get a sword please?
evilguy says: why should i tell you bigheaded bootlicker?
noob says: because i need help in this world i don't know where to go or anything but it would be nice for me if i had a weapon to defend myself while tryign to explore on my own...

That is not how a newbie talks I'd wish that all newbies would talk like that ^_^
That would mean that they have quite a fair knoledge about RP.

I'm not saying that people should explain what RP is to newbies during a RP event, all i'm saying is that the IC evil comments should be directed only towards people that understand RP and won't take it personaly. The problem is that some might just leave PS after joining and encountering such rude remarks from others without having the chance to learn what RP is and without having the chance to experience the game.

Let's take the next example: You just joined PS, you are a verry good RPer and you decided to play an evil character. Nobody knows you yet and you start acting rude to people without telling them you are IC and have nothing against them as a person. They use /report and make a petition. The GMs see that petition and check the /report log and since harassment is asociated with the mighty ban you get banned. You will have no way to proove that the whole conversation was IC so you will not be able to change the ban status.
Think of this situation from a GMs point of view, we are here to try and prevent situations that might ruin the game experience for others so harassment and especially sexual harassment (wich was the point of this thread) will not be tolerated. We aren't trying to create an utopia where everybody is good and nice but we won't risk having players harassing eachother OOC using the RP excuse as a shield.

[zorbels]

It is really simple how to play this out if you really think about it.

Noob: "Hi I am new could you help me?"

Evil character: "Why would I want to do that! Can't you see I am busy you little leech."

Noob: "Well you don't have to be rude about it." >:|

Evil character: "Well you could pay me to be nice to you. Otherwise bugger off."

Evil character: (I just wanted to let you know that I am IC, meaning in character. I will respond to you in a rude way as my character .... only because he is a grump but I personally would love to help you out. How about we group together so that I can have the ooc, meaning out of character chat with you. So in chat  I will roleplay my character to be a grump, but in group I will be able to help you with your questions ooc.)

noob: "Sounds good to me."

Now if the noob wasn't willing to understand what the "evil character" explained in chat and some how knew how to do the /report because they actually read the rules to the game before starting ... then it would be recorded that you explained your behavior. So any insults following what was put in brackets would be clear they were IC, thust the GM seeing what is really going on. It takes everyone using the system properly for it to work, but if done right there wouldn't be as many problems as I have seen pointed out in this thread.

[LigH]

As I already suggested somewhere else:

Using "/me" or "/my" to express a behaviour, usually helps to realise that the answer was meant in-character.

Just like insisting in shouting "LICK MY ***", even after telling that a petition to a Game Master was sent, clearly shows that this was rude regardless of "in" or "out".

[zorbels]

As I already suggested somewhere else:

Using "/me" or "/my" to express a behaviour, usually helps to realise that the answer was meant in-character.

I don't agree. Some people new to the game don't understand the difference. I didn't when I first started planeshift. Explaining IC and OOC, the meaning of brackets and why they are there clearly to a newbie will help them understand I have found. I know most don't like the brackets being in the chat box but I find they are necessary with newbies at times and sacrifices have to be made in order for us to all have good game play. No system is perfect.

Just like insisting in shouting "LICK MY ***", even after telling that a petition to a Game Master was sent, clearly shows that this was rude regardless of "in" or "out".

If it is IC then I have to agrue that it is NOT out of line though. We have jerks all over the world in real life. If you want the game to be realisitic then sometimes you have to take what is dished out I think. That is only my personal opinion though. I don't mean it is ok to swear as there are rules about that but if you were walking by someone in a bad mood and they said "What are you looking at trepor head, do you want to have me make you lick my boot?" I think that is fine. You have the option to either ignore them and walk away mumbling under your breath, or take offence and challenge them to a duel, or verbal fight.