Owning property in PS

[Aradia]

As far as I know, no player truly owns property in Planeshift. If I'm correct, then maybe this issue can be sorted. Here is an outline of the problem:

Bodacher stood on the barrel near the bottom of the stairs leading to the tavern for quite a long time, running a shop. After some time the shop eventually faded away and Bodacher retired. [Correct me if I'm wrong.] So, after the barrel was vacant for awhile, Arireare Borimel comes along and hops onto the barrel, deciding to start his own shop [Borimel's Barrel] there since it seems that Bodacher won't be coming back.

However, many people feel that no other merchant should occupy the barrel, for it is "Bodacher's spot". Arireare doesn't want confrontation, but he feels that he has every right to be there. On an almost daily basis, fairly well-known individuals come along and harrass poor Arireare while he is simply trying to run a shop. These individuals make a scene and draw crowds of people, wearing Arireare's patience thin. What is Arireare to do? Does he move his shop because it's "Bodacher's spot" or does he continue to try and run his shop while being harrassed by half of Hydlaa?

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These arguments are all IC, but it's becoming annoying OOC. No player owns property in Planeshift. I would simply like to know if Arireare is right or wrong to be in "Bodacher's spot"

[Karyuu]

No player owns property in Planeshift.

Key point is right there, and ultimately everyone has a right to be wherever they please. I could understand if Bodacher was still running his shop, but if he evidently hasn't, why would others raise such a big deal. How silly.

[zanzibar]

As far as I know, no player truly owns property in Planeshift. If I'm correct, then maybe this issue can be sorted. Here is an outline of the problem:

Bodacher stood on the barrel near the bottom of the stairs leading to the tavern for quite a long time, running a shop. After some time the shop eventually faded away and Bodacher retired. [Correct me if I'm wrong.] So, after the barrel was vacant for awhile, Arireare Borimel comes along and hops onto the barrel, deciding to start his own shop [Borimel's Barrel] there since it seems that Bodacher won't be coming back.

However, many people feel that no other merchant should occupy the barrel, for it is "Bodacher's spot". Arireare doesn't want confrontation, but he feels that he has every right to be there. On an almost daily basis, fairly well-known individuals come along and harrass poor Arireare while he is simply trying to run a shop. These individuals make a scene and draw crowds of people, wearing Arireare's patience thin. What is Arireare to do? Does he move his shop because it's "Bodacher's spot" or does he continue to try and run his shop while being harrassed by half of Hydlaa?

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These arguments are all IC, but it's becoming annoying OOC. No player owns property in Planeshift. I would simply like to know if Arireare is right or wrong to be in "Bodacher's spot"

I agree completely.  People are being stupid about it.

[SovHed]

Thank you for your answers It is exactly what we thought. Silly

Sov is much happier now

[zanzibar]

Thank you for your answers It is exactly what we thought. Silly

Sov is much happier now

It's silly, but that doesn't mean they aren't allowed to complain.  I think there are viable RP reasons to be upset about it, but outright harassment is never right.  Ain't that right, Sov?

[zorbels]

Bodacher's shop has been gone awhile, and though we miss him there is no spot written that says it is his barrel. For those of you who are making an issue out of it... check your head, it is silly and childish to complain about this. Quit harassing a player who wants to create some roleplay. If you are one of these players this tells me you have nothing you are doing in game (to much free time to crab at others) and that maybe it is time to log off. We are a community who should support one and other, not attack when someone tries something. This discourages people.

I would go for it Aradia. I was a supporter of bod's shop and was sad to see him go. I  miss the crowd that used to stand there, as it provided a stop off point for people to chat and to buy weapons. I don't see it as a problem and it isn't like you are trying to claim you are better, or take his shops name. Good luck and if you need any help let me know. 

It's silly, but that doesn't mean they aren't allowed to complain.  I think there are viable RP reasons to be upset about it, but outright harassment is never right.  Ain't that right, Sov?

This to me makes complete sense.

[Aradia]

I loved Bodacher's shop! That's where I got my Dark Daggers from. :-D

Anyway, I'm just glad that others here see my point with this. The occasional snide remark [that is IC] in regards to how much they dislike the shop and location I would acutally be okay with. It's just these huge crowds of confusion and finger pointing that made me take this "debate" to the forums.

Thanks to all for listening. :-)


EDITED TO ADD: Arireare Borimel is not one of my alt. characters. He's a friend of mine and I thought I could help him out with his little problem by posting here.

[Zan]

While you are absolutely right that nobody owns that barrel I would like to point out a different perspective on the matter. Merchants everywhere tend to follow one basic rule and that is: "The customer is always right." (or in dutch: "The customer is king.") Having said this a good shopkeeper will do his/her best to keep their customers satisfied and if you weren't exaggerating about half of Hydlaa having something against it, I think you should seriously consider finding your own spot. It is not that I agree with them at all but just a tip from a fellow merchant ... building a good name is very important for a succesful store.

A second option would be to ask Bodacher's permission to use his spot, even if it is just a honor thing and you don't really need his permission. I know Bodacher is still around and I'm certain he would give you his permission without a fuss. That way nobody has anything to complain about anymore.

... well people always find things to complain about but you know what I mean

[zanzibar]

Merchants everywhere tend to follow one basic rule and that is: "The customer is always right."

Not all of them.  For instance, if you get locked into a five year contact for a lease or service, you might find that you suddenly are wrong more often than you expected.

[Pestilence]

Thats becuase companies are long past the point the merchants actually owned the them

The multinationals nowadays only seem to care when it brings in money and so the lower foodchain in the company ha to seem to care. The higherups just want to make more money

Anyhow as to Bods shop doubt he would object to you using that spot. Might be a good idea to simply ask what he feels about it to simply stop those people from discusing from the start.

[ZeeroGW]

Well i think i should say some thing... First of all WHY DOSE A SPOT MATER!
Second:
This is a conversation between me and proglin

(11:30:44) Arireare shouts: Come to Borimel's Barrel For All Kinds of Weapons [Ranging From Daggers To Short Sword, Rang in price 4k-8k] (Located by the tavern stairs Tavern check my Description for item listings and prices)
(11:31:19) Proglin shouts: please don't go there! He's a respectless fool, taking the place of the legendary merchant Bodacher! He doesn't deserve a spot like that!
(11:38:13) Proglin tells you: is it really THAT hard to move to another spot?
(11:40:04) You tell Proglin: yes i like my sopt its neer every thing + i didnt even know bodacher use to sell things here untell you and other started to throw a fit about it
(11:41:00) Proglin tells you: Answer my question,cause I really do think it is respectless. Is it really THAT hard to move your shop? cause our next step will be to inform the GM's.
11:41:22) You tell Proglin: the GMs know, and they support me
(11:41:48) Proglin laughs "I'm affraid not my friend, but answer the question..."
(11:42:19) You tell Proglin: yes i like this spot
(11:42:48) Proglin tells you: then I am forced to take other measures. Thanks for your time.

[Karyuu]

I'm a little tired of seeing logs posted on the forums - without people's permissions, and on some awkward topics. It doesn't matter whether you are trying to prove a point or not, we have something in the Forum Rules about this:

Members should NOT post or place in a signature any material that:

[/list][li]Infringes upon anyone's privacy rights. This includes but is not limited to logs or screenshots that you know someone may object to due to their involvement, revealing of “alts” without private and agreed upon discussions first, etc. Private Messages received on these forums are to be considered private and are not to be posted publicly unless the sender of the private message agrees.[/li][/list]

So when posting logs, please be considerate. I do not want things to escalate.

*edit* Regardless, someone should nudge Proglin about this thread.

[Suno_Regin]

This is a simple topic. Say there's a shop in real life that is being torn down and made into a different shop. (Happened recently in Mansfield, Lazarus (sp) became Macy's) Do you complain about it? No, because there's still things there you can get, such as clothes, just a different name and owner. The exact same thing happened in Yliakum, too. Bodacher used to own the Hydlaa Outfitters, got tired of it, and this person took over the spot. NOTHING changed, just a little bit different of an invintory, and a different owner. It can still be a place to hangout, people just need to give him a chance. Bodacher clearly isn't coming back to that spot, so stop complaining about it. This would barely even result as something to complain about IC, much less OOC. When I saw him there, I just said "Bodacher used to own that spot. Nice to see a shop back here, maybe I can find some new things here"

Well...I didn't really say that, but it's what I thought. I bought a lot of things from Bodacher's shop, and was disappointed when he left, but with a shop back, I'm ok again. It was more than a shop, it was a place to hangout. The only reason this person's shop isn't a hangout spot is because people want Bodacher back. But, a tip to the new owner, don't shout out to people, just advertize on the forums, saying what all you have, then wait for people to come. Give them a nice, IC greeting, and sell them what they want, or start a conversation.

'Nuff said.

[zorbels]

The thing I find most funny about this whole topic is .... does anyone know how bodacher feels about this? Really that is what this is all about right? That this is supposably bodachers "spot", and it is disrespectful for someone to take it over. If I know anything about bodacher, I am thinking he really couldn't care less. If that isn't the case then by all means correct me.

As for posting the logs on this thread, that to me is very ...... silly (Minds her language  ). After all, who ever is running this shop has about 75% support with the community. Was that really necessary to do? I think that Proglin will be owed an apology for such actions. I KNOW you didn't have his permission to post the logs.

@Karyuu -  Proglin is nudged, I sent a link to him. So without a doubt he will see this thread eventually.

[Peacer]

i didnt even know bodacher use to sell things here untell you and other started to throw a fit about it

me neither, in fact not before this topic...

But, a tip to the new owner, don't shout out to people, just advertize on the forums, saying what all you have, then wait for people to come. Give them a nice, IC greeting, and sell them what they want, or start a conversation.

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