[Guild] The Royal House of Purrty

[lanser]

I won't tolerate further sympathy and kindness. No. Not on my watch.

Please use the Guild Forum more sensibly. Nothing wrong with taking things lightly, but after a while it becomes bothersome for people reading this to actually find useful information this way.

According to the Guild forum rules we are allowed 2 threads for guild business but in the interests of brevity have decided to use the one for both information and discussion

One thing I've found very odd since the beginning is the usage of the guild system for the House of Purrty. While the Guild Chat function seems to be a very valid reason for adapting to the system, I believe the ranks could better be worked on if they weren't to abide to the strict 9 Rank policy imposed.
Using the description and a symbol system only, you could divide the several hierarchic tiers within the House of Purrty in a very original way. It would also improve the emphasis on function, as the hierarchic position would be just as visible as the function the character plays.

We already have ranks within the  Official Game ranks with their own symbols as explained in the opening post so I dont quite see what you mean

The general story of the guild and the plot lines developed by its members are not quite of my taste, as they depend too much on foreign concepts such as Printh and spirits (Hagarath.)

Evil spirits and chars abound I could point to one with three souls as an example and is the concept of Printh any different from that of an Empire?

Unfortunately the current Game Moderation does not provide help for players to decide which paths to take on their roleplaying.

I fail to see what bearing Game Moderation has to a Guild thread nor to the path one chooses to take

Like I've noticed in some other threads, there is the needless enforcement of Role Playing unto members. Everyone playing PlaneShift should roleplay, so you shouldn't need to recall players about that. That is similar to requesting players to actually have characters.

(Emphasis mine) You answered your own critique, because unfortunately not everyone playing PlaneShift does roleplay so I do not see the problem with reinforcing the fact we are a Roleplay Guild

The Promotional Thread itself does not divide the information in a clear way, though I can't see any information lacking. Separating and highlighting certain parts would turn this Promotional Thread into a better reference to the House of Purrty's workings.

This thread is purely to give a taster of what the Royal House of Purrty is like, its not to give detailed information our website is for that and if anyone really wishes to gain a deeper understanding of our workings then just Roleplay with us

Major Zinnius Zann Guardor to the House of Purrty (rank: Royal House of Purrty)

[Sangwa]

The whole idea of Royalty is status, not job.

In your first post you show some interest in detailing jobs as well. But you know that better than I do, I was merely considering the guild system imposition of 9 ranks something that you could go without. I certainly don't know better than you though, considering it is your guild we are talking about.

What you come up with is entirely your responsibility. As it is mine to respond to my tastes. I don't like foreign concepts and I see Hagarath (who is a character that is hardly possible to be played by players, considering its powers)  and Printh (which existence is not, at least currently, expected within the game) as foreign concepts. That's my opinion, as it is your opinion that you should give complement in where you think the system lacks: namely the existence of kingdoms and magical characters of immense power.

This brings us to the last point. Game Moderation and Guilds (respectively yours, as we are on this thread.) Imagination is hardly the relevant part of the equation here, as the Game Moderators should have conscience of the reasoning behind setting. I merely referred game moderation because, as it is, neither of us is wrong or right. And I like knowing.

Whereby I understand your 'comment' on the pleasantries posted here... I cannot stop others posting what they wish/feel.

Indeed you can't. But I do have the authority to remove the excess, hence why I mentioned the incident.

EDIT TO ANSWER LANSER:

According to the Guild forum rules we are allowed 2 threads for guild business but in the interests of brevity have decided to use the one for both information and discussion

Speaking of friendship is hardly discussing or informing about guilds.

Evil spirits and chars abound I could point to one with three souls as an example and is the concept of Printh any different from that of an Empire?

The Empire has no castle. We are currently a "Proto-Empire" so to say, as we are still looking for our own lands. Nurahk is a player, not a Guild.

This thread is purely to give a taster of what the Royal House of Purrty is like, its not to give detailed information our website is for that and if anyone really wishes to gain a deeper understanding of our workings then just Roleplay with us

That's the purpose? Great.

I fail to see any relevance in the other points you made.

[lanser]

EDIT TO ANSWER LANSER:

According to the Guild forum rules we are allowed 2 threads for guild business but in the interests of brevity have decided to use the one for both information and discussion

Speaking of friendship is hardly discussing or informing about guilds.

thanking someone and expressing friendship fro allowing them to take part in a guild roleplay is now wrong?

Evil spirits and chars abound I could point to one with three souls as an example and is the concept of Printh any different from that of an Empire?

The Empire has no castle. We are currently a "Proto-Empire" so to say, as we are still looking for our own lands. Nurahk is a player, not a Guild.

the proto empire is a new development, Printh is a Kingdom not just a castle and Hagarath is a Player not a guild

noun
1.   a group of nations or peoples ruled over by an emperor, empress, or other powerful sovereign or government: usually a territory of greater extent than a kingdom, as the former British Empire, French Empire, Russian Empire, Byzantine Empire, or Roman Empire.
2.   a government under an emperor or empress.

I fail to see any relevance in the other points you made.

As I fail to see the relevance of most of your post

[Sangwa]

thanking someone and expressing friendship fro allowing them to take part in a guild roleplay is now wrong?

*sighs* Having 3 or 4 topics about it is tiring and a good reason for deletion.

the proto empire is a new development, Printh is a Kingdom not just a castle and Hagarath is a Player not a guild

The Proto-Empire is not a new development. You are just seemingly not well informed.
I understand that Printh is more than a Castle, hence why I corrected my post. My point still remains valid though.
Hagarath's story is used by a guild, not singly by a player. Nurahk's three souls thingy could as well be called schizophrenia and it didn't come as relevant in any of the Empire's story.

As I fail to see the relevance of most of your post

I'm sorry, I really don't mean to bother. I thought it would be nice to note my opinions so that you could do with them whatever you felt like. I did not ask you to acknowledge them, or to question them any further. If you didn't want me to illustrate my opinions any further, all you needed to do is ask. You still can.
I don't understand where this need to have my opinion not count stems from.

I hope this can have some use to you. That is always why I post in this forum.

EDIT: When I said "I won't tolerate further sympathy and kindness. No. Not on my watch." I did mean there were enough thank yous and hugs, but I was trying to do it in a comic way. I'm making it clear because some people have no sense of humour.

[Lolitra, Celorrim Purrty Twins]

I think that this has gone on enough.

However I would like to clarify that Hagarath - was a played by my husband and was not all powerful as  you seem to think.   It was all RPed and all players had a choice of how they were effected by his 'ability' to cause illusion.   Basically, you faught your own fears... and was a something that ended  a long time ago, I just RP my character as still 'scarred' by that encounter.  The power was definately not fantastical... there are simple ways to explain it - some could say that hypnosis was the tool.. perhaps.. some magic illusion thrown in.

EDIT
[note at this point in time - when that RP was done - the ingame mechanics and magic was very limited... with bearly 3 or four spells]

As to Printh... I could have claimed that I came from lands in Yliakum that had not yet been made, that after warring, I ruled over, but that would not have sat with the settings.  With that in mind, the growth of the EMPIRE  may well be against settings, as it could be seen as a threat by the Vingisme [hmm spelling] and Octarchs, and the Town and City Guard may well have been set out to 'outlaw' them to protect their ways if they were not inanimate NPC's.

EDIT
[I would like to add, that Printh is set in a vulcanic slyle setting alongside Yliakum - so that when Yliakum develops more, and becomes a lot larger - it may suffer a natural disaster..  and thus not be a problem with settings any longer, that was our plan from the start.]

As to people giving pleasantries... I am greateful for them as this thread is one of the few I care to use here, it helps me in ways I don't wish to explain.

I do appreciate your comments, but I wonder if you are saying - Empire Members should not participate in my little imaginative RP's? Which I am hoping not.. as I do so enjoy RPing with you, and your fellow members.

Oh, and I am not aware of being able to 'delete' or 'clean up' any posts made by others?...   as I would possibly move them to one post incorperated as ''quotes'' to clean this all up.

[Zan]

Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to take a little breather here before this gets out of hand further.

Sangwa has a difficult task, as Guild Moderator, and that is to advice and guide all Planeshift guilds so that they can be the best. I have a character in the Dark Empire so I know Sangwa is pretty demanding in the area of Guilds. He pushes himself and his guild as far as he can .. and then pushes some more. That's why the Dark Empire as an organisation is constantly changing, improving and growing even if it's members aren't.

All I see him do here is give advice and suggest what he would do with the guild. I admit the post that started this seemed a bit bossy .. but for those who know Sangwa, they should realize he was joking. His advice was decent in my eyes. Maybe it would be better to split this thread up, move the roleplay posts to the in-game roleplay section of the forums and keep the guild thread tidier?

I'm not going to address the nature of the roleplay because if we start removing all stories that are going beyond the settings, we'd kill off 90% of the RP. Instead I've learned to trust on the people who do go outside the settings to keep things fun and fair for all people involved. Lolitra, I know you're an intelligent person and I know you only want to enjoy yourself and have others do the same so even though some of your things go beyond settings material, I'm not worried about it in this context. I'm certain that Sangwa knows this as well but I can also understand that he's worried about others following your example who are less interested in other players and only in having a powerful character. Unlike me, Sangwa has an official position to fill here so he can't judge by double standards without people holding it against him.

Now I command you two to shake hands and be friends again! (yes, more friendship descends over this thread ...)

[Sangwa]

Let me keep it recorded here that my opinions are given as critiques and hold no personal or social meaning. I have no intentions to upset anyone, much less people I esteem like Lolitra and Hokinon. Like Zan mentioned, I sometimes sound serious, but I'm never tense when writing these things.

I will not pursue my previous opinions, as you believe you have had enough of them, Lolitra. But I'll address some new business you have introduced that does not concern the Royal House of Purrty but rather the workings of Planeshift and of my own organization and its relation towards your guild.

With that in mind, the growth of the EMPIRE  may well be against settings

That is a topic very evident in our structure. We have kept it a very dynamic one so that we can adapt to what the developers and moderators feel like. We figure that while we have no imperial expression (conquering, etc.) the government (and moderators) would have very little on us. Should they still have, there are obvious alternatives to keep the Imperial Guilds working while hiding the "Imperial" tag.

I do appreciate your comments, but I wonder if you are saying - Empire Members should not participate in my little imaginative RP's? Which I am hoping not.. as I do so enjoy RPing with you, and your fellow members.

My "comments" do not place me in the opposite side of the field... At least I hope they don't. I enjoy role playing with your and your fellows, and the events the Royal House of Purrty surrounds itself in are some of the most entertaining around. My opinion about your plot and guild devising has no godly status to it: it simply honestly speaks of what I think. The value it has is entirely up to you, and the use you make of it will be completely respected by my person.
I really hope you haven't been offended by this and keep playing with my members and myself. It'd be dire to sacrifice that.

Oh, and I am not aware of being able to 'delete' or 'clean up' any posts made by others?...   as I would possibly move them to one post incorperated as ''quotes'' to clean this all up.

If you, or anyone else, wants their Threads cleaner... Just ask. I'll have to guarantee that no discussion is lost and that everyone's points of view remain accessible.

While Zan is right about my worries, my priority here was really helping you by sharing my opinion, like I expect people to do with my own projects.

Moderation Note: I have deleted a post that targeted me and the fact that I criticized this the way I did. This has nothing to do with the guild itself so I removed it. I will do so with every other post that will be likely to escalate into personal discussions, or that fails to contribute with anything to this thread. Anyone displeased with my moderation should report me to one of the general moderators, thank you.

[Lolitra, Celorrim Purrty Twins]

This thread has become a mess - which was one of the valid points made recently, therefore I am intending to 'quote in order' relevant posts to explain our use of the Guild system for our RP, and Guild based Events - (which are always open to others to join in on) into new one, and have this one turned into a general 'natter about our guild' thread.

I will add that I have run my wife's Role Play about Printh (which I did help create) past the settings team - a number of them - and it would appear there is no issue as it stands.

Also the Character Hagarath - which I played some years ago - and is now deleted [though I think someone has registered the name to stop someone reviving him] and that Role Play is long since ended - though the Curse is still feared by Lolitra.  I played him, and I hope he was fun for other to play along with, essentially he was only as powerful as you thought him to be, i.e. your fears are only as scary as you let them be.

Here are a couple of quotes that my wife said to Sangwa in PM he says should be posted - at first I felt best not to - but I have reconsidered.

As to the way we use the levels... it is nothing to do with what others can see is there job... for that is not what it is about, Royalty and Status, who bows to whom... is what it is all about... Etiquette and if you have noticed, Lolitra struggles with the 'lack of this' in Yliakum - it is part of her make up.

Lolitra

Sangwa,

I was very upset at it.  It read to me
'you're a mess, oh and while I am here, your ideas are all faulty, this is wrong... and that is not even in the settings... oh and you godmod' 

Lolitra

That is how it made her feel.

HOODEDORACLE.
(Husband)

[EDIT]

I realise I have done something not nice too - Where my wife may have felt bad about all this, Sangwa did not intend it that way. 

Moderating is not an easy task - and we all make mistakes in how we word things and sometimes omit to clarify what is actually intended to be said, I omitted to add something.  Sangwa is by no means a mean or uncaring person, his reasoning is actually quite sound - once you get past some of his odd humour - and on the whole I find has good points to make.

[Sangwa]

Thanks for posting this, as it has allowed me to notice that you've been running your plots through in-game moderation, or overall accountable opinions in the area of settings.

I still think you've misunderstood my opinions in the area of having a good Promotional Thread (topic thread) and about ranks, but I'll wait for an opportunist time to voice it better.

[LigH]

Moving the posts about the coming "Chest" plot to a new thread could possibly have been a less noisy approach ... if this board software is able to. This information may not fit well in a Guild thread... but surely in an "Ingame roleplaying events" area.

[Sangwa]

I wasn't bothered by the posts about the coming "Chest" plot. This is a good place to note them. Either way, you'd have to ask Neko to do that, as I can't move things from one Forum to another.
I was simply distasteful of the 3 or 4 successive posts that didn't mention activity, information or allowed basis for discussion. I didn't think they were excessive, but I thought they could had become. Hence why I intervened like I did.
But we really shouldn't discuss moderation at length in this thread. And as my post is pretty useless to this point, I'd like to think this to be an opportunist time to mention what I meant to...

This time I'll try to do it better, promised!

I'm content with the information I was given about the storyline. But I still find some structural choices confusing... Not wrong. Here they are:

While this Thread certainly contains important information throughout, it also contains a Promotional Thread topic that could be tuned up. If like Lanser said the objective is merely to give a taster, I still think it could be improved. That is because the best Promotional Threads I've seen contain a nice way of distributing information to allow for a quick reference read and contain flavour texts and images that add a very nice touch to them. While you do possess an interesting image, I believe you should try to use some of your members' imagination to come up with a nice flavour text. Maybe a piece of the Royal House of Purrty's history?

I have nothing against the way the ranks have been established. However, I believe you'd benefit from a less strict rank naming policy, one that didn't have to please the 9 ranks imposed by the system. Let's see what you have.

The House has a Guild layout so it fits within the mechanics of the world of PlaneShift and the levels that reflect the possible stations within the House are as follows:

High Royal House of Purrty
Royal House of Purrty
Royal Court of Printh
Lower Royal Printhian
Honoured Printhian
Respected Printhian
Printhian
Supplicant Printhian

Where the High Royal House of Purrty is for the King and Queen and Princes and Princesses. 

The Royal House of Purrty is for the following stations:

Grand Duke	--	Grand Duchess
Duke	--	Duchess
Marquise	--	Marchioness
Earl/Count	--	Countess
Viscount	--	Viscountess
Baron	--	Baroness

The Royal Court of Purrty is for the following stations:

Lord of Court

--

Lady of Court

The Lower Royal Printhian is for the following stations:

Lord of Printh

--

Lady of Printh

And the rest are as follows:

Honoured Printhian	=	Honoured in Printh
Respected Printhian	=	Respected in Printh
Printhian	=	Citizen to Printh
Supplicant Printhian	=	Known in Printh

I think that the last ranks are not very like the first ones. They do not possess titles (like Duke, etc.) and instead seem to be like place holders that make the guild have its nine ranks (or nearly nine ranks ). In other words, in the ranks you have "Houses" and then you have "Titles" when I think you should either opt for having simply houses (e.g. rank Honoured Printhian be named "Printhian Commoners" or something of the like [I'm not very familiar with your naming options, though I find them good.]) or simply ranks (e.g. Duke, Earl, Queen, Commoner, Earl, Page, etc.). The previous would require that you used less ranks in the guild system and the second would require more. Which is why I believe you shouldn't abide to the guild system.

This is merely my own approach at improving the Royal House of Purrty's ranking system. You'll probably be able to give a good use to my opinion, even it means not applying it.

[Lolitra, Celorrim Purrty Twins]

Your comments are noted, but - you seem to miss the whole point.   They are titles of status, titles that indicate where you are in the 'pecking' order of the Courts of Royalty.  One could be a sergeant in the guard and not be a lord, or if he was honoured by the King/Queen may suddenly become a Lord... by receiving a medal or two - yet remains a sergeant, also, one may be just a scribe.. but become one of such renown, that the King/Queen might feel the bestowing of House or Courtly Responsibilities... say that of a Count or Earl, or even Duchess, which would immediately move you up that pecking order.   Also, there may be a chance for Players to start a new character, born out of the family [once Lolitra has a heir] who will be straight away in the High Royal House... Though there are lesser Princes and Princesses who would only be placed in the Royal House due to their removed placing from the line of Heir to the Throne.

Royalty is not easily slipped into any pattern of 9 ranks.  This - I feel is the best of a bad bunch of possibilities.  If I had loads of members - and there was a way to be a member of multiple 'guilds' one would show the Status and the other sub-guilds would show their role... But I don't see this happening in the near future.

In relation to doing 'flashy' forum posts with graphics and other niceties - If I had the time, or the volume of members... well things might be different.   As it stands I prefer to spend my energies playing, as that is where I draw most fun.

[Keldrena]

[I just want to let who ever is in charge of the guild forum know that it will not sent me an email to activate my account.]

[Sangwa]

Moderation Note:

As the House of Purrty grew in size and history, this thread became filled with plenty of information that isn't useful as far as Guild/Organization discussion is concerned. So I've contacted Lolitra and we agreed to split the topic and create a sister thread in the In-Game Roleplay Events section, named [RP - The Royal House of Purrty - UPDATES]. In this new thread you have all the information about the roleplay events and plot lines that the House of Purrty has been developing,

It should be pretty easy knowing where to post now; just be sure to use the forums orderly.

Thanks!

(PS: I've tried to make the two threads as consistent and coherent as possible. There was plenty of information and sometimes I was confused about where something would be placed, but I followed a simple logic: every side conversation that started with RP issues was included in the new roleplay thread. I only deleted 2 posts, which I couldn't find a place. They contained less than a paragrapher.)

[Lolitra, Celorrim Purrty Twins]

[update - OOC]

[Lolitra is not happy that her House name has been taken into use by strangers on posters about the Hydlaa City.  Has instructed her subjects and friends to deface such posters or remove them.]

[There has been a number of players asking for me to let them 'kidnap' Lolitra...]

[Ixala is seemingly a changed girl... showing signs of kindness to others... what is she upto - or is it for real?]

[The Mask is still in the care of Farren - now Lolitra is wanting it destroyed...   strangers are asking over it... some willing to kill for it]