Ya know, there's a reason people don't use IRC....

[Denerynn]

     I hate to say it but I have to agree with Zanzibar on this one.  I am definitely not a frequent visitor there, but today I had a slight problem in-game and as there were no GM's online I went to the IRC room to see if I could speak with one about it.  I asked a question and was immediately ridiculed.  I'm sure it was meant as a joke but as I was going there for some help I did not appreciate it.  I can't speak for the tone of the room changing, but I can definitely say that for a newcomer it would not seem very friendly to be mocked for asking a serious question.  I can only wonder what happens to others....

Thats harsh... Personnally, I would never do that. I understand what its like to be new to a game and to want to get some answers to my questions. The other day I gave a player 300 trias because he was new to the game, and he wanted to buy himself a weapon. I also wanted to spare him some of what I went through when I first played the game (5 days before the update). There are a lot of helpful people out there, always willing to share their knowledge or wealth. Unfortunately, not everyone is. Some people seem to be made for annoying others, and simply being a nuisance. I say this a lot, and I will say it again: there will always be rulebreakers, and no matter what we do, we simply cannot get rid of them all. All we can do is try and cope with it, and of course get rid of those we find.

[Drey]

Denerynn, ingame != irc.

The reason i don't use #ps on irc is because i use quakenet and the #ps i found there kinda sucks.I have joined the offical #ps site a few times but the hassle involved switching from one to the other is too much to endure to be active on it.

ever thought of connecting to more than one server at a time? i can already here the screams of "heresy!" -.-

[zorbels]

Thats harsh... Personnally, I would never do that. I understand what its like to be new to a game and to want to get some answers to my questions.

  Just one little correction .... Bodacher is not new to the game. He has been around awhile.

@Bodacher: I agree that sometimes people in IRC seem to forget what the channel is about and get a little carried away.. I myself don't like it at times when I see others being rude to another. This isn't something that happens all the time though. As you said you don't frequent IRC lots, so you don't see the good and polite people helping out.

@everyone: It isn't as bad as others in this thread have made it out to be. It is a useful tool with a couple of bad apples. Thats life. Try to also keep in mind that there is huge age differences and that will have alot to do with the conversation at hand in IRC.

[stfrn]

Btw, one of the reasons that devs/gms love irc is you can be on irc most of the time you are at a computer, but you can't always be in game. So we could be at working on something else(coding for example) or not even at home(trying to scrap together an income ) and still be on irc. Of course, on irc doesn't mean truely there... but you can be there in spirit atleast

[Verrliit]

@everyone: It isn't as bad as others in this thread have made it out to be. It is a useful tool with a couple of bad apples.

True for the most part.

And the function served by the IRC is critically needed.

But personal insults thrown at people in IRC are more severe than the PS forums, and it gets bad pretty often.

I am generally too old to be shocked by nasty children, but I was speechless one night, when someone posted a link to a 'how to have sex with your dog' tutorial.


Because as far as I know, the person who posted the link suffered no consequence to his action.

[DaveG]

Let me put it this way:  About half the devs don't bother to login to #planeshift and the other half tend to ignore it.  After this release I had to turn off my IRC client's "aggressive notify" option because of idiots poking me relentlessly there.  If you want to talk about the code or building, goto #planeshift-build instead.  There's also a private devs room which we use, and is why we bother to login at all.

About idiocies in #planeshift:  Yeah, it gets... odd in there sometimes.  Most of the time it's fine, but it can get spammy real quick.  The people who actually care don't go in there that much, so Jose is left to wrangle them most of the time.  Bans do happen, but yeah, junk remains.

[josephoenix]

Because as far as I know, the person who posted the link suffered no consequence to his action.

This is why I have an account on the forums marked with a nice "IRC op" badge. Please send me the details and logs of the incident.

josePhoenix

[zanzibar]

But personal insults thrown at people in IRC are more severe than the PS forums, and it gets bad pretty often.

Yup.  IRC is poorly moderated, and people use it to flame and troll quite often.

[Drey]

Yup.  IRC is poorly moderated, and people use it to flame and troll quite often.

jose knows why that is ;P

[Karyuu]

People already scream bloody murder at moderators "limiting free speech" on the forums I can't imagine what reactions Jose may get if he tries to toughen up, though he should ;P

[zorbels]

People already scream bloody murder at moderators "limiting free speech" on the forums I can't imagine what reactions Jose may get if he tries to toughen up, though he should ;P

My thoughts were the same. You would think having a place to have all the free speech you want ... seeing as the forums are limited ..... people would be happy. Ha! wasn't I kidding myself. Another thing I had to ask myself is why doesn't anyone ever mention the good? If IRC was that bad I don't think people would use the room. So there are flaws, and the system isn't perfect. I would also hope people would be forgiving and understand Jose does have to sleep at one point. He can't be there 24/7. So the question is, if you feel IRC is to much, then what are you going to contribute to make it better besides the obvious complaints?

[Drey]

You would think having a place to have all the free speech you want

I don't have free speech... sooo many things i would love to post/say but don't.

[zorbels]

I don't have free speech... sooo many things i would love to post/say but don't.

Well that is just common sense. After all there are going to be under age people in the room as planeshift is for all ages. Still it is alot less limited then the forums. So I guess you can't talk about sex, or swear your face off, but really those aren't topics that go with ps anyway. So technically when it comes to talking about the game, you do have free speech.

[Verrliit]

So the question is, if you feel IRC is to much, then what are you going to contribute to make it better besides the obvious complaints?

I would say the answer to that, Zorbels, is to be a good example, and provide strong leadership to others.

I am pleased to add, that you are getting rather good at both. 


Hugs, dear.

~Verrliit~

[Drey]

I don't have free speech... sooo many things i would love to post/say but don't.

After all there are going to be under age people in the room as planeshift is for all ages.

i'm still one of the youngest there.