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Re: Building a Guild or just belittling the World?
« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2006, 11:51:44 pm »
We already have the Arcane Order :) I think one of the first and longest lasting mage guilds.

Its the one and only!!
But its scattered now. As a 'former' member i can say that our gratest failure was taking things too seriously. We had many projects, targeted at making a good RP enviroment(some of the crazyest are the 2nd aniversery game and arcane tower mush), but at the same time only few of the members ever went ingame, and so the Arcane Order became isolated, members inactive. I don't realy know whats happaning now(havnt been around for more than half a year), but its seems like things have gotten only worse.
http://ordo-arcanum.com/ (The forums got hacked  X-/ )

So what im saying is that RP should happan ingame, not on some bizzare forums. Many guilds try to create a detailed history, because they simply get flamed for not having one. Mostly it dosn't fit into the PS setting at all. So details dont matter, why create a guild with a long detailed history and pretend its ancient or something, if the creation of the guild is happening right now, in this moment? I think too much emphasis has been put on guilds. Why care if you can join multiple guilds or just one? Will adding your name to some mysterious database make your RP experience better? Thats simply game mechanics.

As for guilds that are anti-RP, this has always been so, id say that things have gotten much better now. At the beginning of MB RP was close to zero.
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Re: Building a Guild or just belittling the World?
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2006, 12:42:28 am »
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Ummm .... dude this is a roleplaying game. If people are uncomfortable or just plain out don't like roleplaying, then they shouldn't be playing this game in the first place. This really isn't rocket science.

Aren't there already ideal notations for OOC chat in game? [] and etc.


That is not the point, and you know full well that there have been many requests for people to stop with the OOC in chat. Even with the OOC [] it still doesn't change the fact that this is a roleplaying game. It holds no place for people who don't agree with roleplaying in game.


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so we are going to ruin everyone else's experience in the game that was MEANT for roleplay. This to me screams "Hi, I am a tard with no life what's so ever and I like to make other people just as unhappy as I am."

I really think you're over-stating the impact of your case here on someone's social life.

No. Don't assume, as you have no clue and again not the point. I think you may have missed my point as your focus was to quote  the one thing that was my own personal opinion. Read before and after that sentence and you will find the point I was trying to make.
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Re: Building a Guild or just belittling the World?
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2006, 08:02:01 am »
Some very interesting points made.

We agree that guilds should not have to make long high-faluted histories to make out that they are ancient, as they are new...  but they should at least give reasonable goals, reasonable rules... and try to be part of the setting in which they exist.

There will always be a problem with out of character activities [ooc] as new people settle into the game, but if those who lead, and help guide in the new people don't lead by example, how are we to minimise such activities to an acceptable level of background noise... rather than full on frontal appearance that the game supports ooc activities.

Power leveling is not always a sign of poor Role Playing skill, as some are maxed and turn to RP for their entertainment - and are quite good at it.  But to blatantly creat a guild based on ooc... or constantly refer RL in an ooc chat... is just selfish, as this is essetially a game designed for Role Play and there are plenty of forums or messaging programs you can use along side PlaneShift in which to have your OOC fix.

[quoting from others posts - (apart from highlighting what your oppinion or thoughts are about) - when most likely they have not expressed themselves in unambiguous words - does not help the topic in debate here... stick to facts or your own opinions and please don't manipulate other's words... that is so lazy, and quite frankly it is rude assume that you know the mind of another.  If you don't understand their post, ask them to explain it further.]
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Re: Building a Guild or just belittling the World?
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2006, 08:26:21 am »
wow, I just read through everything and ... I TOTALLY AGREE

I was planning to create a guild before, but I didn't know it meant except of "a group of people who can talk between each other". And this seems to be the main definition for new people and even some "older" people.

I really like the idea of an age limit, "Sorry, but your account needs to be at least 3 month old" and I think 3 month is enough.

After, we absolutely need an approval system. Each new guild created needs to be approved by a GDM (Guild Masters). This would avoid a lot of the OOC guilds.

And I was wondering, why do you need to pay to create a guild? and what is the point of having at least 10 members to join in the next X minutes? Normally, a person should take time and think before joining a guild and not join it because you are a mac users, the choice is very easy in that case and you don't need to think.

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Re: Building a Guild or just belittling the World?
« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2006, 08:30:54 am »
And I was wondering, why do you need to pay to create a guild? and what is the point of having at least 10 members to join in the next X minutes? Normally, a person should take time and think before joining a guild and not join it because you are a mac users, the choice is very easy in that case and you don't need to think.

This was put in place to stop the over population of new and excessive giulds that had 1 or two players or that a new character made as soon as they started playing.  The idea was to get people to think a bit before creating a guild, to make them actually worth something.  And in general it did just that.  There was even a guild wipe if I recall correctly.

Granted this doesn't stop all problematics, but it does deter quite a bit.

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Re: Building a Guild or just belittling the World?
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2006, 08:37:28 am »
Very good point, why should one have to pay to create a guild, - that was in place to deter people from creating one straight away, but as earlier stated, now mining is prevelant, it is no longer a deterant.  The deterant should be the process of creating a Role Play based Guild... to fit the Role Play based world.

...and to add to our last post...
We fail to see how imposing such gaming standards would ruin the fun for the majority... only those who cannot be 'bothered' to Role Play would suffer a minor inconvenience as they would be forced to at least think of ic reasons.
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Re: Building a Guild or just belittling the World?
« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2006, 03:34:56 pm »
@Lolitra

im agreeing with you but im just wondering what if its for roleplaying purposes (not the level or computer thing but things like klyoses only)

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Re: Building a Guild or just belittling the World?
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2006, 04:12:02 pm »
I'd say then they should have a good roleplaying reason that doesn't disagree with the game's settings for only accepting Klyros into their guild. If they have that I don't see anything wrong with it. Just saying .. it should be more than "Hey I have a guild for Klyros only, join us if you have wings!".
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Re: Building a Guild or just belittling the World?
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2006, 05:02:24 pm »
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Re: Building a Guild or just belittling the World?
« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2006, 05:58:58 pm »
At no point do we say that the 'only a certain in game race' thing is a bad idea.  There are many good reasons for In Character creation of a guild of say only Dwarfs, such as a Dwarven Mining Society, or even only Klyros such as the 'Klyros flight Guild'...   But they would have to be careful to stick to their IC reasoning during gaming, and have fair description/history as to why such a guild....

Saying that there are many such guilds already that are well within Role Play Bounderies... and are very successful. 
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Re: Building a Guild or just belittling the World?
« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2006, 06:05:46 pm »
I have been reading this thread, and modelling the changes in our small society, that would occur if further restrictions and requirements were added to starting a guild.

I strongly recommend that no additional barriers be added.

And these are only a few of my reasons:

Just as people vary widely, in age, intelligence, experience, talent, creativity and imagination, so too must their play.

There will always be those who have little talent or skill, who nonetheless want to start a guild.

Even people who are absolultely terrible at it, should be allowed to play.

We should not be condescending, and say to them, they are not good enough to have a guild, just because they can't write a decent concept, or because the guild will be a jarring and horrifying flop.


The present rules provide offset enough.

Let them be.


Let them dream their dreams, no matter how small, and gain whatever learning and joy from them they may.

Let us not place a barrier at the entrance, nor prevent a single soul from attempting their dreams.

Let us instead be inspired by their terrible example of what not to do, to be even more brilliant, attractive and clever, ourselves.

No guild that does not satesfy the players who are it's members, will ever live for long.

And the lifespans of even the very best guilds, are entirely too short.


So let them be, these guilds of the bewildered, dull and ignorant...

Let them try, and learn or fail.

And also thank them, from the bottom of your hearts.


After all, they make the rest of us look very good indeed.  :)


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Re: Building a Guild or just belittling the World?
« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2006, 06:32:27 pm »
Well how about this... when making a guild you must choose a class... sort of thing... like a large list that has the different Trades, races, or reasons... like Mining, Baking, Blacksmith, Klyros, Diaboli, Kran, Hunting, Exploring... all the different IC things... just organized... so like...

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But i dont mean that is all... feel free to suggest more things to add...
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Re: Building a Guild or just belittling the World?
« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2006, 07:05:15 pm »
Automated Guild creation... hmm interesting idea.  Care to expound upon it a little more... i.e. how it would work in the game mechanics maybe?
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Re: Building a Guild or just belittling the World?
« Reply #43 on: July 03, 2006, 07:12:50 pm »
well... not exactly automated... just that you have the story and all but you get to choose the basis of your guild so that you really CANT have OOC unless someone just chooses a class and then doesnt abide by it... in which cases you could maybe have it removed or something... just a way to organize and specify guilds... or... yea... basically you do everything the same and you choose the class and then there is less confusion and less OOC... unless peopel stop going by the class... maybe there could be something like... if you chosoe mining... and you dont mine at all you kill and plvl it warns you and notifies a gm or something...
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Re: Building a Guild or just belittling the World?
« Reply #44 on: July 03, 2006, 07:21:06 pm »
well... not exactly automated... just that you have the story and all but you get to choose the basis of your guild so that you really CANT have OOC unless someone just chooses a class and then doesnt abide by it... in which cases you could maybe have it removed or something... just a way to organize and specify guilds... or... yea... basically you do everything the same and you choose the class and then there is less confusion and less OOC... unless peopel stop going by the class... maybe there could be something like... if you chosoe mining... and you dont mine at all you kill and plvl it warns you and notifies a gm or something...

That seems slightly too limited how ever. We need a strong medium idea.

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