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For those of you who have not been following this story:

AT&T, Verizon and Bellsouth were discovered to have been supplying the NSA with millions of illegal wiretaps and forwarding all of their internet traffic to the NSA.

Part of the defense mounted by these corporations and the NSA, has been a claim that these clear violations of federal wireapping, mail and privacy laws, as well as the constitution, were necessary as part of the so-called "War on Terror" and they have attempted to invoke national security as a cover for these actions.


What is new in the story?

It seems that the government's violations of federal and constitutional law, and domestic spying upon US citizens as a whole, began at least seven months prior to 9/11...


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Resisitance is feudal.

Don't you mean "resistance is futile"?
Else your remark is kinda weird :lol:

But you know, if that story is true, it doesn't surprise me a bit.
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I think the same happened during WWII.  The gov. had deals with the telecom companies (telegraph at the time) that they would get a copy of all telegrams.  All the major telegraph providers were okay with this.  This is according to a book called "the puzzle palace" which is an NSA history.

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There was another thread that discused this, and it is know that the NSA has never stopped.
their information is sold to the highest bidder.
Here is a little something I found;

Echelon

We’re all getting used to the increasing presence of “Big Brother” in our lives, mostly in the form of increasing security surveillance in our town centres and corporate property.  Up until recently many of us would only have recognised this form of surveillance in our everyday lives, expecting our privacy to be paramount in the sanctity of our own homes.  Certainly, this form of curtailment of our privacy in public areas is acceptable in the name of law-enforcement and anti-terrorism.That was until the E.U. started publishing findings into the activities of the N.S.A. in Europe.  The Agency’s cupboards appear to be bulging with skeletons.  It is now abundantly clear that the N.S.A. has been turning its Cold War surveillance capability towards America’s allies.  In fact, it has the capability to eavesdrop on every electronic communication travelling across the planet.  That includes all telephone networks (I’m convinced the whereabouts of mobile phone users can be pin-pointed through triangulation), faxes and e-mails.  Microsoft even fit an NSAKEY into their systems to aid decryption.

This is how it works: the N.S.A. and Britain’s Government Communication’s Headquarters (GCHQ) jointly analyse a wealth of signals intelligence using a search engine called ECHELON.  This pinpoints key-words of interest to America or Britain when used in private communications, and then directs the guilty message to operatives for further analysis.  The level of computational power at the disposal of the intelligence agencies must be truly awesome.  The point is that if you inadvertently sat one of these buzz-words, then your phone call, e-mail, fax, or whatever will be looked into.  This is not fiction, but fact.  Or at least according to the European Union.
This has only come to light because the Brussels administration is becoming increasingly annoyed by the perceived misuse of this system for U.S. economic interest.  Complicating this is the role of Britain, an integral member of the European Union.  Britain is accused of aiding her ally in economic espionage at the expense of other EU members.  This comes at a time when Britain feels more isolated than ever in Europe whilst our economic performance has come into closer alignment with the States.

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Resisitance is feudal.

Don't you mean "resistance is futile"?
Else your remark is kinda weird :lol:


Even I understood the joke. :-D

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I thought the "serfs" was a typo, and should be serves.
I didn't know what a serf was, but according to a dictionary it means:
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Etymology: French, from Old French, from Latin servus slave
: a member of a servile feudal class bound to the soil and subject to the will of his lord
I still don't understand the "serfs" though as serf isn't a verb, but a noun.

And I know what the feudal system is, but I just don't understand the remark
"resistance is feudal". I know the feudal system is old and stupid, but why resistance==feudal?

I guess either my knowledge of English isn't good enough (it's not my main language), or all that stuff is a bit too vague anyway.
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It's a play on words serf/serve and futile/feudal.  Understandable  missing it if your not in your first language ;)

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Yeah, I guess it's just one of those wordplays an "outsider" can't understand properly.
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