Linux installer

[Nod]

I knew there would be a new version soon as i just downloaded the last one yesterday :-).

    Ok about the subject, how is it that wit windows you have 1 single file, yet with Linux you have 4 (and RPMs at that). I would like to suggest Loki Installer that I actualy packaged a game for sombody with, but the game was 400kb and the installer added 1 meg so he didn\'t use it, but what I am getting at is it was easier to use that than to make RPM packages (for me). You could also use the Loki Updater to keep the game up to date. As far as I know Loki installer also works on windows and OSX so one installer to rule them all :-P. Though the installer is best suited for a CD distribution with all platforms on it.

thanks

[Atanor]

this is an interesting idea... For my part, i was about to create some Debian packages  

[Nod]

Nothing wrong with a .deb but then someone using Gentoo, however you spell that dist that compiles ALL from source on install, would complain they they don\'t have any packager and blah blah.  With games if you dont mess with any other dir than that specified in the Loki installer (default /usr/local/games/) and a sys link to /usr/bin (what Loki installer does for you) then you don\'t really need a package manager since it wont be installing any libs or something not game related.  If you can not package the CrystalSpace engine with it for some reason, then provide a .deb, .rpm, and .tar.gz for CS and just tell us to install CS befor using the Loki Installer, but how do you include CS in Windows and seperate in Linux?

[Atanor]

CS packages do already exists for a few Linux distribs, but since we need the latest one, we will mix CS and PS libs in the same directory i think. That\'s why we should make several packs of files, for those who have already built CS by their own or used a foreign package.

For the gentoo guis: I think that people using Gentoo are experienced enough to build Ps by themself  

[Nod]

quote: \"For the gentoo guis: I think that people using Gentoo are experienced enough to build Ps by themself \" yeah I should have thought of that!

But how come Windows has one simple install package and Linux had to have 4. You said that people who already have CS installed dont need to have those libs overwirtten with PS version of CS (thats what it seemed you said, to me atleast), but what about people in Windows that installed CS? Do you overwrite their libs? or are they .dll? I am simply curious why I can have Quake3 in it\'s owne directory, yet PS needs to install stuff all over. Still if you make a apt server so I can \'apt-get install ps\' I can care less since it will auto select the 4 packages and install.
I am sure whatever you do it\'s the best you can do, and I thank you for making it still playable under Linux. *mumbles about BioWare and NWN linux client*

[Chlerval]

Is the Loki installer still developed? Loki is out of business. And I\'ve experienced some problems with the Loki installer in the past.
RPM is a good system, but I\'m still questioned why they supplied PS in 4 packages and not 1 (It would not be much of a problem to do that).

The only problem with RPM are the dependencies sometimes, but I don\'t think that PS need much \"external\" dependencies.

[Nod]

\"Is the Loki installer still developed?\"
- Yes, the Loki installer is still being maintained at  http://icculus.org/loki_setup/ . This group (icculus.org) really maintaines alot of things.

\"Loki is out of business\"
- Ahh how a Open Source porgram can live even if the company dies! Coulden\'t have that same security with Windows or it\'s software!
\"And I\'ve experienced some problems with the Loki installer in the past.\"
- Just curious, in making a package or using to install? Sometimes someone may make a game that will ONLY play in the default directory and this could cause problems if you change it. Also if you had/have problems trhy to get a hold of icculus.org, they might fix it.

I am glad I\'m not the only one that wonders why it was/is in 4 packages.

[Rakeleer]

I was wondering that myself.  It\'s sort of like saying \"You windows users are too dumb, here\'s a simplified system, as for you linux dorks, figure it out\".